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[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wish it was a proper academic paper with citations--kinda annoying having to track down its sources.

Don't have time at the moment, but I did grab the paper which shows that the virus could have been present in the US as early as December 13-16 2019 on the west coast:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472

and this NIH study which also showed earlier cases than had been officially confirmed:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/74/4/584/6294073

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 days ago

The US is directly responsible for 10 of millions of deaths related to COVID. Richest, most powerful country in the world lets diseases run rampant everyday.

If COVID did arise in the US then that revolution is bitter. It doesn’t offer much in the way of solace for me personally. Hopefully, it would help to radicalize others though.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 days ago

Is anyone surprised?

[–] [email protected] 71 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm not convinced of the Fort Derrick lab leak theory either, but the the presence of Covid prior to the Wuhan outbreak at least eliminates the proximity to the Wuhan virology/biodefense labs as indicating a lab leak there.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Same. I haven’t investigated it in a while, but last I read virologists are still fairly certain COVID has a zoological origin. I would not be surprised at all if factory farming created it.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Wasn’t it also found in Spanish waste water as early as spring of that year

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It was at least found in Italian waste water before the outbreak in Wuhan. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200620/Italye28099s-sewage-water-shows-SARS-CoV-2-present-prior-to-reported-outbreak-in-Wuhan.aspx

I never really bought the Fort Detrick theory, but the story of COVID originating in China always seemed awfully convenient for the West.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

being honest this is the first I’m hearing of the fort detrick theory, could you give a run down please

yeah I don’t believe it started in china either

[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 days ago (2 children)

take the Chinese lab leak theory and sub in Ft. Detrick and that's about the whole of it as far as I'm aware (i.e. it is not really any more or less substantiated)

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 days ago

it's significantly funnier though

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Ft detrick's wastewater sterilization equipment wasn't working for an entire year before it was shut down in August 2019

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 days ago (6 children)

I'm fairly certain I had it in November of 2019. My whole family was sick with what we figured was a bad flu, but it left my wife with more significant respiratory issues on top of her asthma. On top of that I somehow avoided getting Covid until 2022, despite several outbreaks at work to the point of literally working alongside people who later test positive. It was kind of incredible at the time, but if I already had antibodies then that would make a lot more sense.

There's not much of a way for it to start in China in Nov and then by the end of the month it ends up in bumfuck rural America. I'm sure we had the shit brewing for months before it was detected on the other side of the world.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago

Yeah, I had some extended family that got a nasty "flu" around then, too. The only time I've heard of a "flu" taking away someone's ability to taste for a weekI

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

I had what felt like the worst cold ever in December 2019. It was followed by a lingering recovery that ended with a diagnosis for reactive airway syndrome, asthma's little brother.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 days ago (5 children)

There also was that wave of respiratory issues in 2019 that people were blaming on vaping until people just forgot about it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

this so much this!

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago

investigate fort detrick

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