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Context: I made a poll on PieFed about the new post flairs (so if you are one of the few hundred people who have a PieFed account, follow that link and answer there). Unfortunately Lemmy has neither polls nor post flairs, so this post is to open up the discussion to the wider Fediverse, or rather the subset of it that encompasses Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, which is called... what exactly?

Is Threadiverse too traumatic & tainted by association with Meta's (all but entirely defunct) Threads? Is The Verse too cool/poetic/nerdy (but niche) to be understood? I highly advise against Lemmyverse bc mainstream normal people are far less tolerant of tankies than we who are here are willing to put up with. Simply listing the software available sometimes is the best option - like the Interstellar app supports all of Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, but most support at best 1 or 2 of those - but usually is too long to say and does not roll off the tongue, plus will just keep growing as time goes on. Is Forumverse thus the least bad of the available options, or perhaps you have a better idea? ๐Ÿ’ก

Anyway, the start to a listing:

  1. Threadiverse
  2. Forumverse
  3. (The) Verse
  4. Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed
  5. Something else?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (18 children)

As the creator of Mbin I'm also calling it Threadiverse.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Threadiverse is by far the best name for it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@[email protected] NodeBB here, agreed.

It really is the most succinct nickname to describe the type of software we are... and I feel that outweighs possible association with Threads.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I follow you now :)

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[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Threadiverse

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I've been calling it threadiverse because that is what I saw most other people call it.

Really all it is is "ActivityPub groups" or if that is too technical, "fediverse groups".

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

The linked linkers, because we're link aggregators that link together.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I think, the "threadiverse" is more akin to the old (also federated, just in a different way) Usenet / Newsgroups than web-forums. So "ScoopGroups", maybe?

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Well, if you look at the sidebar of [email protected] i included NodeBB. ๐Ÿ˜…

In this post too ๐Ÿฅน

Forumverse : for any news and features about Lemmy, Mbin, NodeBB, PieFed

So it can't be Lemmy,Mbin,PieFed. And i'm adding flarum.

However, we can create separate category :

  • aggregator link : lemmy,mbin,piefed
  • forum : nodebb, flarum
  1. Thank to Meta, i don't like it...
  2. My favorite one, it remind me of forum era
  3. Abstract and beautiful. Poetry, bible and verb. Something we have never see before ๐Ÿ˜Š.
  4. i'm against. Link aggregator shouldn't be tied by a software name but a global concept as thread of forum. If i have 6 softwares...do you write them all ?
  5. linkagg lousy but pratical. Bad name are the best. ๐Ÿ˜Ž

I think we should redo the post, but, for now, let's see where it go ๐Ÿ˜Š

Edit : added answer

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[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

A quorum of forums.

[โ€“] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Censorverse... If you don't tow the line we'll de-federate you, this aspect of Lemmy defeats the entire purpose of federation, might as well just call it Facebook II.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

That works for Lemmy + K/Mbin.

But now with +PieFed, +nodebb, and soon +flarum, and perhaps +Sublinks, Lemmyville doesn't seem very inclusive?

I already started this as a poll about post flairs, neither of which features is nor is expected to appear on Lemmy very soon iirc. The rest of the Fediverse isn't waiting around for coders to learn Rust and eventually getting around to adding features to Lemmyville.

So Lemmy in particular may want to not start being exclusive! It will get left behind if it does!

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lembipie. What else?

(And why does this particular subset need a name, anyway? The plus combo is easier to get the point across with)

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

It was Lemmy+Mbin.

Now it's already up to Lemmy+Mbin+PieFed+nodebb.

And flarum and Sublinks may be added at some point as well.

So the plus syntax, now that there's already 4-6 of them (7 if you count Kbin but there's only a single instance in the entire world, in Poland I believe, that uses it these days, everyone else switched to Mbin), seems untenable?

[โ€“] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Personally I dislike anything with -verse involved because big companies have run it into the ground and then some.

The boring, dry ways of describing them work best in my opinion.

Federated forums is the driest, most technical and to the point but not very telling.

Swap out forum for link aggregator and you have similar, arguably even more technical (certainly more of a mouthful).

Connected/linked forums might be more approachable, more readily conveying how these are separate forums but networked together.

Cross-forums may work as well to the same end, but not sure how immediately understandable cross may be in this context and outside of gaming spaces.

Whatever the case I kind of think this has things backwards. What's more important than describing and talking about the backend tech is pointing people to any of the sites built with them that have anything of interest to them to bother with. I can't think of anything online I've ever gone to or used because someone told me it was using Apache, Nginx, phpBB, or like an Open Source Web Server or using such and such CDN.

The reason why is simple: next to nobody talks like that. The only people that might are deep in web dev.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

On the other hand, the software used has an ENORMOUS effect upon the quality and such of the communication. e.g. forum software such as Lemmy allow much longer-form, topic-based discussions than e.g. Mastodon where you have to follow a particular user account or else you won't see anything at all. So "Mastodon" implies extreme difficulty in having conversations in the first place, especially for non-technical, normie users, and also a heavily short-form tweets/X-cretes/skeets/whatever, user-centric form of communication. Whereas Lemmy allows me to ramble on for quite awhile, and even if you don't follow my account, by being interested in this topic, you'll see my words.

So software isn't everything, but it also is not nothing either.

Anyway, we could call ourselves anything we like. Brain-dead fart pirates, I don't care, so long as we pick a name:-). It might help to pick one that people like though, especially the people that contribute much to making this place what it is.

I personally don't mind -verse. I don't watch most Marvel movies to begin with, and the word itself carries connotations of "the universe", which is what we want I think bc we are talking about like "the set of all, i.e. the universe of, connected (using ActivityPub protocol) forum-like software platforms". Hence Fediverse at the high end, i.e. including such platforms as Mastodon and Friendica and Pixelfed, but at the lower end... what there? Threads? ActivityPub Forums? Any short, catchy moniker may work -> so what is it then?

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

This is the correct but boring (but correct) answer.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Welcome to the cross-faggregatorverse

[โ€“] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i think threadiverse is the move. partly because it's already in regular use and partky because it's very self-explanatory. forumverse could have some legs to it now that more traditional forum software like nodebb and soon flarum support federation now, maybe it could refer to the broader category containing traditional forums and the threadiverse, but i feel like leaving out the "fedi" part kinda defeats the point (threadiverse at least partially maintains it by being a pun on it). maybe fediforums is the way to go?

it's a whole 'nother can of worms but ironically in my experience the "verse" part of threadiverse is more offputting than the "thread" part because people think "metaverse," but that's just anecdotal and the term fediverse itself already has too much momentum to easily fall out of fashion

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah and I did not clarify well here that nobody will stop using Fediverse (I think?!): that is a fine term that should continue to exist. But we also need a term for the subset of that which the likes of Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed, and now as you say nodebb and soon flarum (and perhaps eventually Sublinks?) and ofc many others will also join. What is this subset of the Fediverse to be called?

Ngl, I kinda just instantly fell in love with fediforums as you mentioned it right here. However, it also seems fairly similar to Fediverse, perhaps too much so?

Forumverse seems more distinct, from the Fediverse? As too does Threadiverse. And the latter has history and traction, but also seems a bit tainted by association with Meta, who seems to destroy everything that it touches? :-P Though importantly, we here on Lemmy were using it first! So is that enough justification to reclaim the term, in people's minds? What do you in particular think?

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Forumverse, I guess.

(Though I'm always in favor of silly word combos, there aren't many good ones. I like Piebin, but how do you get lemmy in there? Plebin? No thanks.)

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'd like to see more proper forum features in.fedi software. Give me the full forum experience

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Yeah, what features? Polls? Community flairs? The ability to restrict downvotes to only members of a community? The ability to combine multiple communities into one overarching category? And then customize that without needing admin support, and then also share that with other users? The ability to personally block every user from an instance, again without requiring admin approval? The ability to automatically label every user that has a brand new account, less than two weeks old? Or that posts 10x more often than they comment, hence might be an unregistered bot account? Or that gives and receives 10x more downvotes than upvotes, so is at best a controversial and at worst a highly toxic personality - but again, independent of an admin or moderator, and instead being totally in control of the user? Or the ability to block posts based on keywords, but perhaps not all such posts, and instead having granularity of All vs. None vs. Some? Or offering hashtags for content discoverability beyond communities and categories of communities? Or the ability to follow anything you want - a community, a user, a post, a comment (even not made by you) - and arguably far more importantly, the ability to NOT receive notifications for something that you wrote?

PieFed has all of that, and more. Lemmy has none of it. Do as you please, but now you know. Check it out: https://piefed.social/ .

Edit: even Reddit lacks many of these features. As it enshittified, it kept adding features that attempted to boost its profitability, like various forms of irl coinage, rather than provide stuff that people actually wanted to see.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

like what features are you wanting?

Lemmy already has the "New Comments" sort, which is the biggest feature of forums vs Reddit

Lemmy also has the "Chat" view for comments, which is good but needs to show context with them as my feature request here says https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2544

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've been calling them "Redditlikes" or "Reddit replacements" in ordinary conversation. We won't need terms like that forever, though.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah it'll be better to have a term in which Reddit plays no part in defining is!

And this post is an opportunity to make exactly such a term!

Say "fuck spez" in the absolute best way possible - by moving on and forget that he ever existed, as we build our own stuff here.:-D

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What about "Fedivotes" or "Votiverse?" Upvotes and downvotes are pretty key distinctives to this form of social network.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

True, but doesn't Xhitter and Bluesky and Mastodon also have a type of voting? Even if it is called or functions slightly differently?

I did not explain much of the back story, but the Fediverse is already the term used to describe federated social media, so the term here that we need is to pick one that describes the specific subset of it that focuses on threaded conversions, centered around those topic areas (called posts, and then those topics being further aggregated into higher-level topics, called communities) rather than centered around a user tweeting/X-creting/whatever their shit.

And we also have a focus on much longer-form content than those others, which like Mastodon have smaller character limits imposed upon their thoughts (so that they cannot ramble on as I have done here:-).

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

But that would mean that we mainly talk about Linux...

Which, yup, sounds about right!

In that case though, [puts actshually hat on], wouldn't it be gun+verse?

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