I blame the parents. They instilled all these neuroses in her because they didn't understand and feared her. All the things you listed are the symptoms of the fact that her parents were crap. But I applaud your unpopular opinion.
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Been like ten years since I’ve seen the movie and I heard the sequel wasn’t great so don’t have complete context.
Anyway, jailing her is the right move for a punishment based society. She was an adult and committed crimes and stuff. There are some mitigating factors like childhood trauma, that most of it was accidental, and lack of fatalities (because it was a Disney movie, but it stands). To dissuade others, she should be jailed.
In a rehabilitation based society with a focus on maximum gain, it’s probably not the move. Most people would have a hard time in that situation— it’s not far off from someone experiencing significant mental stress and reacting poorly to being swatted. Except the police were, iirc, hired thugs sent to assassinate her. (Or, as some might say, the police.)
Even kind of hating the character due to overexposure, I don’t fault her too much for how she reacted. In the US we have the standard of what a reasonable person might do, and I’m not entirely sure she would be convicted of most charges even here.
Now factoring in the potential uses of a magical monarch, it’s probably wasteful to throw her in jail. Tourism and industrial uses alone offset the benefits of throwing the book at her. Is it fair that a more useful person could get lenience? No, but the gain heavily outweighs the nonexistent benefits. It would probably be best to let her do her thing but remove her inherited power. Further displays of intentional violence should be met with imprisonment. Or I guess outright execution, since you can’t really imprison someone like that, but I’m not pro death penalty.
This holds true for most superheroes, too. They're a MENACE!
What are you JJJ ?
This is all Anna’s fault for falling in love with the first dude to smile at her
Yes, incarcerating the mentally unwell, that's the solution. Lemme guess: American public schooling?
(taking this discussion as seriously as you) Yeah let's just NOT jail people who murdered and caused untold suffering on an entire kingdom simply because they're mentally ill. We should have put Mussolini in therapy instead of executing him, too /s
You do a disservice to the mentally ill jailed for homelessness and addiction by putting a mass murderer in the same category for judgement.
Murder? Where? Of whom, exactly? "Untold suffering" sounds like a shite way to insinuate your opinion is fact enough. Do better.
From the OP:
eventually basically murdered Anna in an anger by freezing her heart.
She turned her kingdom into a frozen wasteland but yeah I guess you're right, frozen wastelands where people lived doesn't imply human suffering at all. So better.
They're in fucking rural Norway. In winter. It's not like she froze Miami in a blink. She didn't even have to shift the temp much, just the relative humidity a few ticks, and the very same winterizing protocols would be effective. Thafuq are you even talking about.
It was pretty lush in the film and rural Norway does not have eternal winter, thafuq are YOU even talking about?
I was looking up the timeline of story (which I did not find) and discovered she also caused all fires to go out and all water to disappear. Elsa is a criminal even though she fixed it in the end
"Eternal" winter? Hyperbole is a hallmark of a flailing argument. Secondly, fires "going out" are easily rekindled and inconvenience is not often crime. Lastly, water doesn't "disappear" when it freezes. What grade are you in?!
I mean, if you need Elsa to be the villain, you and your justice-chub should probably get a room. Afterward, maybe you can apply some plain logic to this fantasy you're stitching together here, eh? 🤦🏼♂️
It was an eternal winter. Had she not reversed it, it would never have ended. That is the story of Frozen, a documentary that you have apparently never seen.
My next paragraph was not about the eternal winter at all. Further proof that you've never read anything on the history of Arendelle.
Three years later, Elsa inadvertently awoke the spirits of Enchanted Forest, endangering Arendelle. This caused the elements to become disturbed: the fires of the kingdom went out, the water disappeared, the wind whipped up into a gale and the cobblestones began to shift under the citizens' feet.
The water wasn't frozen, you fake fan. It disappeared. Maybe try applying some logic you think I lack to the conversation at hand instead of assuming that all these events discussed happened at the same time. Jeez.
In a world of chaotic magic though, you also have to factor in the potential side effects of jailing someone with uncontrolled magic.
It's very possible that jailing her could make things worse, potentially producing disastrous effects.
I'd say banishment would be more practical, ideally sending her off to somewhere where she can get help. At least temporarily relocating her out of range of harming others, then promptly sending messengers to kingdoms to find anyone who may be able to help her with her powers.
While of course still keeping her supplied and having a liason between her abd the kingdom, so she isn't totally isolated, and keeping her updated on attempts to locate help.
Of course this should've been done long before she was a grown woman, she should've had a teacher found when she was still a child, instead of just locking her up in her room forever.
I'll keep it a headcannon that this was reasonably the case, that her entire childhood in isolation simultaneously had messengers desperately searching for help far and wide, and they truly just never were able to find her a teacher or anyone who knew wtf was going on and could help, her powers were just that esoteric.
Anything less wouldn't make sense, but perhaps wasn't worth spending screen time on...
Yes, but inside her, she's a good person. Maybe she has mild bipolar or mild autism
Don't worry guys the muderer is actually really nice inside so they don't have to go to jail
And STOP DIAGNOSING EVERYONE WITH MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS! She doesn't have bipolar, she just has trauma, that's like the whole point of the movie! This is like when people jump to ADHD when kindergarteners can't stay still.
Down with the monarchy!
Dude, let it go
I think OP Can't hold it back anymore
I think they might slam a door.