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Enshittification

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What is enshittification?

The phenomenon of online platforms gradually degrading the quality of their services, often by promoting advertisements and sponsored content, in order to increase profits. (Cory Doctorow, 2022, extracted from Wikitionary) source

The lifecycle of Big Internet

We discuss how predatory big tech platforms live and die by luring people in and then decaying for profit.

Embrace, extend and extinguish

We also discuss how naturally open technologies like the Fediverse can be susceptible to corporate takeovers, rugpulls and subsequent enshittification.

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[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This seems silly. Lots of kids never learned about computers even when they were available. A chromebook was just an electronic school aid. If the interest was in computers they would learn about computers.

I think this is a fairly dumb take. In the schools that I saw that had chromebooks a kid might be taking English, Math, AND computing. It really was up to the school (and parents) to introduce computing, not the machine that was the general replacement for books.

Anecdotally: a high school near us requires every student to have a computer. They do not hand out chromebooks and the requirement specs are a higher end Mac or PC laptop that the kids are required to bring to classes. These kids use blender, maya 3d, office suite, video and music editing software for example. They absolutely do not know any more about computers then chromebook kids (with a few exceptions). Having access to a computer doesnt magically make them know about how computers work.

[–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The real take is to get kids into PC gaming from a young age. Kids are super patient with each other and now my kid is doing things like installing mods for games that he plays. It's also massively improved his reading which is mostly how I learned English myself.

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[–] ThisIsFineDotJpeg@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nah

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of big corporations, but Schools are gonna have to be using Device Management programs regardless of what OS they use (so that kids don't play video games, or use social media, or watch adult videos, in the classroom). Giving kids a Managed Windows Laptop with tons of restrictions does nothing to "improve tech literacy" either, so just as bad as a chrombook.

Also, wealth is also a factor. If you only have money for one device, and everyone has a smartphone, and you kids are gonna get socially ostricized in school for not having one, of course you're gonna prioritize giving them a smartphone first, which in turn, delays them learning how to use a computer, and I mean like a computer you actually own and can modify however you want, as opposed to the school-owned managed device. (Its harder to learn that when you're older)

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nah, the sheer complexity of modern computers and the endless proliferation of OSes, languages, protocols, make it impossible to have any kind of tech literacy.

Magic machine makes pictures, I click and order things.

[–] Alatain@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am pretty sure that a base level of tech literacy is something that is not "impossible". Sure your average user may not be willing or able to get there, but I am pretty well immersed in the tech world and have a working knowledge on most of the important platforms and concepts.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago

I'm just old and tired of the endless treadmill of changes for things that do the same things.

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Thankfully, My third world country was too poor to afford Chromebooks, so we had to rely on regular PCs

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Back in my day we brought our own MS-DOS boot disks to school to circumvent all the limitations.

[–] quid_pro_joe@infosec.pub 0 points 1 week ago

For me it was Backtrack Linux on a bootable CD-RW. Set the Windows wallpaper as my background and nobody ever noticed. Man those were the days!

They're all to blame

[–] Windhover@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Now do cars.

[–] silver_wings_of_morning@feddit.dk 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am pretty confident it's the smartphone OSs (Android and iOS) that are more at fault. I remember having to install a file browser on my smartphone. Kids grown up with smartphones may not even know there are files and folder structures.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago

Yeah, and I feel like you could play around with javascript to make stuff happen in the browser on a chrome book, can't you?

I'm old enough that it was BASIC I played around with when I was a kid. Not a language I ever used since, but the important thing is to get a feel for logic, make some incredibly stupid choices when making a program and learn from that. If a kid wants to play around on a computer to make it do something they created, I think they'll find a way.

Also AI can be helpful when starting on a new language. Yeah I had to learn the hard way by googling stuff and getting the syntax wrong, and using a lot of guess work. There's still a learning curve before you just know the syntax without stopping to think or asking the AI, but it was that way before, it was just googling things you gotta do before you really know it. And before that a lot more trial and error to figure it out.

[–] youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just bought one of these for $35 dollars and put Linux mint on it

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

$35 is impressive. My old Chromebook cost $80.

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[–] _AutumnMoon_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

chromebooks suck but this isn't really why

[–] saruwatarikooji@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you. It started long before chromebooks were a thing. If anything, we can blame it on windows. I remember people of my generation not understanding any tech from the mid 90s on...

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

People have not understood tech forever, but the 90s and '00s probably had the highest rate of tech literacy. Modern OSes obfuscate the inner workings more than they used to, meaning everyday users are less exposed to them.

[–] not_amm@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Where I live, Chromebooks never really took off. I had access to computers since kindergarten, but in my home I only had phones, so I mostly learned tinkering with them (installing custom ROMs, cracking, etc.) until I got an old Intel Atom with 2GB of RAM lol (I tried **anything **to get pirated games running). My younger sibling and cousins never really learned much about computers because they were introduced directly to smartphones, and since they weren't taught very much (other than basic Office tasks), they were never interested on computers nor my family was buying something kids didn't ask for. So in my case, Chromebooks didn't have anything to do, it was mostly bad parenting and the boom of smartphones :P

[–] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 0 points 1 week ago

This sounds more like my experience as well. Instead of the walled garden of Chromebook, it was more the walled garden of iOS.

[–] Stormdancer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

walled gardens... so... just like Apple did, decades earlier?

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I feel like this has way more to do with smartphones and apple than chromebooks but sure.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Yeah a decade ago is not where this problem started. Nothing points to these Chromebooks. Smart phones are a good choice but also just the homogenization of the internet from like 2005-2012 as kids stopped having to figure out how to navigate the internet and install programs, instead staying on two to three websites and everything being installed as an app.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago

Exactly, otherwise this problem would be almost exclusive to places that had this Chromebook program. Brazil as a whole had no such program, yet lots of people have no fucking clue what to do on phones besides "install app, run app"

[–] SpaceCheeseWizard@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I work in education. The chromebooks at my school replaced the convential computer lab where kids would learn how to actually use the computer.

[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I graduated highschool in 2014. Very interesting that you think schools taught students how to use a computer beyond opening a browser, Microsoft word, and typing.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Man I really need to get the desk for my kid’s PC set up. The machine is already there and got switched to Linux back during the winter.

He will have long creative hyper-focused minecraft build sessions on console, so I bet he’d be pumped to find out he could use the CLI with a keyboard. Or as he calls it, “the commands.”

[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

WorldEdit...

I hope he finds it a game changer.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Apple did the same thing in the 80s and 90s. Then schools eventually said "no thanks" and switched to PCs for all the computer labs.

The switch to PCs did happen in the late 90's but not reacting to some walled garden from Apple.

In the 80's, schools saw computers as a tool to teach general skills to students. The Apple II was a machine to run Number Munchers and Oregon Trail on. Especially for younger kids, "computer skills" weren't really taught.

By the late 90's the tide had shifted. Computer literacy was becoming a requirement in more and more jobs, and IBM with their Microsoft-based PCs and the ecosystem they accidentally created had a massive grip on the business world. So schools needed to start teaching classes in Windows and Office.

Apple made a big comeback with their pivot to the fashion and jewelry industry but never recaptured the hold on education they once had.

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

They did. They also basically came in around the early 90's in San Francisco and all the tech hippies were like, "Yeah, we're gonna give people all these wonderful tools to create new realities and it's gonna be like a Star Trek utopia!" Then the VC investors and money men showed up and said "No, we're gonna use these tools on people to make them more predictable." So now instead of giving people tools, tech uses tools on people.

[–] nathanjent@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think my kids are more accepting of Linux on the family PC because of their school chrome books. We'll see how it plays out when they start purchasing their own devices though.

[–] defaultsamson@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I completely agree. The OP ignores the fact that Chromebooks run on Linux, and are essentially a gateway to it. There's even official support for sideloading any Linux distro of choice.

[–] zzx@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Have you ever used a chromebook?

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