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Claims that electric vehicles don't have enough demand may be overblown.

A new study from GBK Collective, published Thursday, found that half of the more than 2,000 US car consumers they interviewed were considering either an electric or a hybrid car for their next vehicle purchase.

This far outweighs the current ownership trends found in the study. Only 14% of those surveyed already own a plug-in or hybrid vehicle of some kind. It's another piece of evidence of a huge opportunity for EV manufacturers to home in on the needs of these green car-curious consumers.

"These are not the same kind of customers who created the initial EV market," GBK President Jeremy Korst told Business Insider in an interview.

"These are later adopters, and because of that, they're not as driven by innovation or even design," Korst said. "They have more functional needs, and they're much more pragmatic and thinking about the total cost of ownership both in price and in effort, like, 'how do I charge so what's that going to take? How much time is it going to take me?'"

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Bad press"? If they mean Teslas, sure; they're garbage. But I just want an EV that's affordable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I think they mean Republican media.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And not Chinese chabuduo malware.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Just make them as cheap and reliable as the dinosaur guzzlers and I'll happily buy and drive one. Especially if you can get that second hand.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

I'll happily drive an ev if

  • it is affordable
  • it doesn't require an online account and app to work correctly
  • it isn't an enormous truck/SUV
  • it isn't fucking hideous
  • I don't have to support Elon Musk

Too bad nobody's making one of those.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

All I want is a sporty convertable EV that looks attractive and has 350+ HP for under $30K.

Oh and find some excuse to put a manual transmission on it – or at least flappy paddles – without it being a gimmick (edit: like CVTs with their fake manual mode; fuck that noise). Then I'm sold.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

There's no such thing as a manual transmission with an EV though...? The purpose of a transmission is to make best use of the power band of a combustion engine, an issue that EVs don't suffer as they are able to provide maximum torque at zero RPM. At the end of the day, all you're ever gonna get is some gimmicky fake manual mode.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fine I can do without shifting. (TBH I don't miss it that much anyway in EVs since the instant torque makes up for it.) Just give me my pocket-sized roadster EV, please.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Fair enough! But yeah, definitely let me know when there's an EV that meets your other criteria, I'll be right there in line with you to get one, haha

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
  • replacing a faulty battery wont be nearly the price of an entirely new vehicle
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago
  • If the charging infrastructure is as universal and as reliable as gas stations, so whenever the landlords want to make sure all the parking stalls have at least Level 1 charging

  • What about better public transport, I'm ready to stop putting money into an "asset" that depreciates at $300 per month, while the debt jacks up interest fuck me the depreciation on a car makes the interest look like a reasonable tip to your server

  • And yeah, twice, the batteries should be swappable, they can be semi-permanent but assume a 2-year replacement time with a standardized installation, fuck paying $45,000 for a really fast cellphone that stops working when the battery does and replacing the battery means ripping the glue apart and the car is never right again. They have to be AT LEAST as swappable as engines.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Kia niro ev. You can get a 2019 model for ~25k, and it just looks like a normal hatchback.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I have the nitro ev. Can definitely recommend but it's going to be annoying when every charger only supports NACS standard in a few years though

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Still too big and bulky. I want a roadster EV; something no bigger than a Miata or 350Z.

Anything larger than a midsized car sucks in the handling department, and I hate that my country has such a hard on for them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Theres also the fact that they're all cloud connected now.

I was very eager to buy a non-Tesla EV but now they're all following the same playbook.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hate to tell you this but quite a few new cars are too, electric or not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Ugh yeah, thankfully I got a very old, decent condition SUV before COVID that I can to ride into the ground.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I like the idea of an EV but honestly I barely drive, and when I do I lament the poor infrastructure of my country.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think more EV and hybrid vehicles should integrate power outlets (V2L), in order to compensate for poor infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Yeah they can be great as power backup, or generally as giant batteries for solar power. However by infra I meant roads and traffic sensibilities, especially in third world countries.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I have seriously considered an EV and will probably get one in the next few years but my biggest problem with them is that all of them have huge fucking tablet screens. I want a EV that has physical buttons and if you are going to use digital screens, I want it in the same layout as the traditional style. IF I have to have a tablet screen, I want it to be minimal.

I don't want to have to use a menu to turn on the fucking windshield wipers!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

My first-gen Chevy Volt has all the buttons. And I mean ALL the buttons. I'd say it has too many buttons, but it's a particular quirkiness that I kind of like; the future as imagined in the '90s. Very Star Trek TNG shuttle craft aesthetic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Volvo XC40 Recharge has buttons for most things (volume, wipers, defrost, ...) though climate is on the touchscreen which is annoying. Navigation on the touchscreen is nice. The software is a bit glitchy, though the car itself is very nice.

But I strongly agree: searching for buttons was a big part of our car search.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Agreed completely. We love our Bolt because it's a regular car interior with an EV engine

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have an EV, it has physical controls on stalks in the same place as a regular car for the indicators, windscreen wipers, lights, etc. You only need to use the tablet for climate controls and nav/music - all of which can be voice activated.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

which EV do you have? The wiper example is just the Tesla, and I wouldn't buy that anyways. I'd consider it if they ousted Musk

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Tesla you press the button on the left stalk to make wipers move once, which also brings up the wiper menu on the screen to keep them on. I want more physical buttons too but it's not terrible this way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

How about this: one press, one swipe, tap a few times and it continues relative to the rate you tap it. Perfect, no stupid tablet menu necessary.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Not op but I have an ioniq 5. Controlls for where they should be on the steering wheel, buttons (or dedicated ir "buttons" for temp, defrost, etc). And buttons to trigger important menus in the screen.

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