No. XMPP would be the best choice.
this post was submitted on 21 Jun 2025
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Tell me you don't know anything about security without telling me you don't know anything about security.
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Ya it’d be better if it didn’t require a phone number but it’s a solid start as it’s build up a user base over the past decade. Matrix is good but I know far less people that use it and it’ll be a long time of growing with nerdy/geeky communities before it starts getting more mainstream users
Nah, that would be Matrix, XMPP, DeltaChat or SimpleX
Anyone using Session? I finally got most of my friends and family on Signal so I'm not gonna switch but I just heard about it, seems pretty good.
Have a look here: https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html
I like the comparison and prefer simplex as an replacement to Signal in the Future. Self hosted Matrix Servers are a good idea aswell if you have the money and knowledge.
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Basically Signal but without the weakness of a phone number & runs on a Tor-like network. It's still a work-in-progress thing but you CAN use it to send messages
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How about Delta Chat? At least as secure as Signal, open source, and decentralized.
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signal requires a phone number and won't even allow you to send sms to those that aren't on signal.
its better, but still not great.
It used to function as a fallback SMS/MMS messenger (like how iMessage does) but when Google started moving to convert Android from SMS/MMS to RCS Signal made the hard decision to cut the fallback functionality rather than follow Google's new framework.
I personally hope once the dust settles Signal designs a RCS engine and restores the fallback functionality.
Yeah killing the sms function was basically a deal breaker for me, no matter how much I tried I could only get three people to use Signal, the rest were all sms. When the sms feature was removed 2 of the 3 dropped Signal completely, so now the only person I know who still uses it is my mom and even she still flips back and forth between Signal and Google messages when texting me.
I still have Signal on my phone and suggest it people when they ask how to contact me, but everyone just wants to text my phone number.
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A truly ethical replacement would not need a phone number
And it would have as much spam as email.
Wasn't WhatsApp essentially built from Signal's base protocol anyway? Why use the meta clone when the original is right there?
No. WhatsApp came first, but later adopted Signal's key exchange and encryption. WhatsApp was an independent company for years and had rejected several acquisition offers, but $19 billion is a big number.
One of WhatsApp's founders is now chairman of the Signal Foundation and a major financial backer of the project.
Thanks!