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Why is the manosphere on the rise? UN Women sounds the alarm over online misogyny (news.un.org)

submitted 6 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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A growing network of online communities known collectively as the “manosphere” is emerging as a serious threat to gender equality, as toxic digital spaces increasingly influence real-world attitudes, behaviours, and policies, the UN agency dedicated to ending gender discrimination has warned.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

Why aren't people asking why are there so many television series where male characters are written as idiotic fops (like really low level 2yo stupidity) who, in every episode, need a woman to come along and save the day,year,universe? Or perhaps where a woman helps convert a male character to what they want the man to be?

It's all just selling to the idea of feminism and those idiots lap it up whilst men have to keep quiet about their lampooning. And now, these women are Pikachu face over a small backlash against it all?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

the manosphere continuing to build power is all from capitalism, which has removed upward growth and community spaces for young white men. I say white because men from minority groups already have those problems but they don't have the inherent privileges that allow angry white men to make their problems into everyone's problems. also parents and schools dont have any resources to deal with children who are already sucked into the manosphere, short of cutting off access to the Internet

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nothing against the article but why is this in /c/Technology ?

If something has word online/Internet on it does not mean it has something to do with technology.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So... What exactly is your definition of what should be posted in the technology community?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.

I personally browse this community for tech news and updates, this seems more like an American societal problem. Not something happening all around the world. Personally i won't be interested in reading the article because I live in Asia and the society here is completely different. This kind of misogyny is not seen by me.

[+] [email protected] 90 points 5 days ago (27 children)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago

Problems is also that you can’t help people that don’t want to be helped. Since accepting help means for these young men that they have to accept that they themselves are partially to blame for their situation. Yes society has failed them but they have failed themselves as well. They have to own up to their own failures and not just put all the blame on the rest of the world.

I know some young men that haven’t gone full mgtow manosphere yet. And even at that point it’s hard to help them. When you reach out they basically reject it. You can basically see in their eyes that they rather want to stay in the bubble and gaslight themselves than to accept the truth and get help. It’s much easier to blame everyone else than to take responsibility.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

That’s what a lot of this comes down to. Loneliness. Disconnection. No sense of value or direction. And then someone online tells you it’s not your fault, it’s women’s fault, or society’s fault, or anyone but you. That stuff spreads fast because it gives people something to belong to.

Yep, and this is how marginalised communities are formed. Same with the text below.

That’s what a lot of this comes down to. Loneliness. Disconnection. No sense of value or direction. And then someone online tells you it’s not your fault, it’s ~~women’s~~ men's fault, or society’s fault, or anyone but you. That stuff spreads fast because it gives people something to belong to.

And is why both POV are bad and should be removed from Lemmy. The owners of such communities get off on having their own army, not that they think they're helping the cause.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is what happens when you take a gender, destroy their ability to develop emotional regulation and meaningful connections outside of the sexual and then dump them online in a slow rolling apocalypse.

The ones who haven't found a way out have killed themselves or gravitated to mad idolatry of shysters and fools to fill the dopamine void.

We have failed our men.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

We have failed our men.

These are the type of feminists the world needs.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't know. Look at all the Tate Todgers around. Also, it does not help that women basically treat men as super-predators. With resentment and contempt nowadays. Leading to...well, men doing the same.

Really, kiss the decency we used to have goodbye. It's all gone now. Best everyone focus on protecting themselves, let the population collapse.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

it does not help that women basically treat men as super-predators.

let's do without these stupid kinds of generalizations, alright? Very few women actually have resentments towards (all) men. And many of them do so as a result of trauma.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So it's ok to hate men based on certain criteria you define? Even if it's due to (your) trauma, that still doesn't make it ok to project hatred towards men.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

you,'re right, it's not okay. But that can be something genuinely difficult to overcome. And it wouldnt be right to blame them the same way we blame bigots who never experienced anything similar.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Those bigots surely will have experienced lots of similar things (like everyone else) making them not bigots. Maybe the person projecting hatred onto this 'bigot' lives in such an isolated world. Inclusivity would help them understand here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Inclusivity would help them understand here.

I agree! My point is this: People choose to self-seggregate because of their, in many cases, valid experiences of discrimination. That's how it is and it is okay. And instead of blaming them for "isolating" themselves, we should instead strive to create environments where these people feel welcome to be a part of. We cannot do that by invalidating the experiences they have.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Cool that someone is at least against generalizations.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Women: it's all about us, we have our own "online safe spaces" where only women are allowed because in history, men were bad to women, It's filled with vitriolic chronically-online women where we go around calling men "cunts". Men should respect this and start up their own community if they want.

Men: . It's given a derogatory name so public opinion can be manipulated - marketing 101.

Women: We don't like it. It's not all about us, men are bad to us. They threaten equality - it's all their fault.

I got banned from two communities on Lemmy recently asking if it really should be host to communities that are exclusionary based on protected characteristics such as gender (to stop extremism). Lots of women moaned and were vitriolically abusive - how dare I call their army out. Community hosts really need to get a grip on such things and encourage inclusionary communities, not exclusionary. Whilst this practice goes on, racist/sexist/other extremist opinions will be fostered on the host and in those communities.

Politics such as "yeah, well, populist opinion makes us feel like we need to separate ourselves from you because you're not ..." but we totally respect you and want to talk to you as normal in other communities when we want to, is incongruent to the whole concept of an inclusive community that fosters equality such as Lemmy should be.

(And if I had to guess, I think there are some bots on Lemmy also spouting vitriolic replies to stir up such hatred amogst these who isolate themselves - making themselves prime targets for manipulation - all to stir up chaos on a national level)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

people who face systemic discrimmination often strive to create environments that are safe and respectful for their own group. They don't do that because they want to be exclusive, but because they don't have the power to make the spaces they are in respectful and accomodating for them.

So if we have the intention to create inclusive spaces and we have the power to do so, then we shouldn't go after the ones who segregate themselves to avoid discrimmination, but instead we should change our own environments so that they don't feel the need anymore to have their own space.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

we should change our own environments so that they don’t feel the need anymore to have their own space.

"we" unequivocally means "men", right? And how is this done... by preventing exclusive communities and only having inclusive communities. "Online" and "safe spaces" are oxymorons.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

by "we" I mean everyone who has the ability to do so.

And how is this done... by preventing exclusive communities and only have inclusive communities.

you cannot just claim a community is inclusive. When members in it don't feel comfortable, then it is not inclusive for them.

We just have to let people who constantly suffer any sort of discrimination have their own space. When they feel welcome outside of it they'll feel less need to be in their own "exclusive" space. Blaming them for segregating themselves is thinking of it the wrong way.

"Online" and "safe spaces" are oxymorons.

I don't think they are. The fediverse is a great tool for it. There are servers that have the intention to offer a safe environment for certain identities.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

you cannot just claim a community is inclusive. When members in it don’t feel comfortable, then it is not inclusive for them.

Of course it's possible. If they don't feel comfortable, then more questions need to be asked as to why they the individual do not and nothing will change until the focus is on individual feelings of those who marginalised so then inclusive communities can be fostered to work together, and not manipulating the world to pander to those who feel marginalised using anger, derision, and hatred. This leads to better inclusivity, better understanding, which in turn allows for better rules/systems to develop. They can not be fostered by force/anger/because we say so's.

constantly suffer any sort of discimination

"Constantly"? But they don't. They may feel they do due to some mental illness, manipulation by e.g. exclusionary groups that breed hatred of a target etc, but they don't "suffer" constantly. That's just polluted rhetoric in the Western world.

Exclusive communities don't "help" those people who think they're discriminated against to become inclusive, they only strengthen the isolation and strengthen the hatred against those they feel discriminated by, run by people who enjoy the power they have over their victims - the community members.

What some people seem to generally be writing in this thread is that women can have exclusive groups but men cannot because women don't like such groups, all without seeing the irony.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

so systemic forms of discrimination do not exist in your opinion? your wording seems to imply that there is no actual discrimination/bigotry happening. If that's what you believe we have no basis to discuss on. We have a different perception of reality.

It's silly to just claim your community to be inclusive and then invalidate anyone's experience who feels differently

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

People can disagree with each other but still respect each other.

It’s silly to just claim your community to be inclusive and then invalidate anyone’s experience who feels differently

You mean like the women criticising the "manosphere" because they feel differently?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

what do you mean by "criticising the manosphere"?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Lots of feminists want to blame every problem on men. That backfired and now a lot of men are doing the same.

Loneliness and being disconnected from the community doesn't help either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This right here. But no one wants to do that because it's easier to create groups based on existing hatred rather than inclusivity and the people who run such communities do it for the power, not the cause.

The less time we talk about exclusive characteristics to isolate people, the more time we as humans can spend together. But it's easier to market to and capitalise on smaller groups of excluded people rather than one large mass.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Really? Like who? I only ever see or read feminists blaming issues on systemic issues of the patriarchy. Which is not the same as blaming all men at all.

Much the same as saying 'the healthcare system in the US is fucked' is not the same as saying 'all healthcare workers are fucked'.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

But there is no formal 'system' like the healthcare system. Anytime a man is perceived as being in charge (for whatever reason and context), it becomes the "patriarchy" and subject to feminist ridicule and hatred, thus generalising hatred on men.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago

But no one owes us any attention. That is why we have AI.

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