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[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I have a proposal for conservatives in Canada, that I offer legitimately in the spirit of getting the best for the country: Become the party of democracy. Ditch the crazies (and their reactionary grievance politics), and embrace electoral reform.

I know most people say electoral reform is the kiss of death for them, but I'm not sure I agree:

  1. If they kick out the crazies, they will be a smaller party and their chances at holding SOME power will increase if we have some manner of PR or ranked ballot in place.
  2. The Liberals have taken the patriotism brand from them (Poilievre was an idiot for giving that one up to them), but they can take the democracy brand from them easily if they shift their approach - especially since the Liberals have fumbled electoral reform so badly ("We will do what the Liberals couldn't do...because we're the party of democracy!"). It also gives them a patriotic 'foot in the door', since they can tie democracy to Canadian identity and fundamental Canadian values. Finally, it will distinguish them from the Republicans and the US in general, which is what they need to do right now.
  3. When people make the claim that the Conservatives would suffer under electoral reform, the calculus assumes that voting habits don't change...but this is a foolish assumption, particularly in this case, since this maneuver would fundamentally shift the landscape
  4. Conservatives would be rebranding entirely and would be perceived as a brand new party - truly the party of change.
  5. Canadian Conservatives would set an example for right wing governments around the world
  6. They would become a party truly back in the political centre, and would easily steal Liberals back to them.

None of this means they need to abandon their economic ideology, although they may find they need to tweak it.

HOWEVER - this would require:

  1. Get rid of Poilievre and the others like him (Javani, etc.). They are toxic to good faith politics. They consider their opponents enemies, part of the out-group, and they will never be trusted enough to pull this off honestly. Also, this requires vision and an ability to unify people behind that vision - in other words, it requires leadership - and Poilievre is not a leader. He does not do vision or unity.
  2. The Conservatives would need to accept and embrace the idea of coalition governments and minority governments, since they are fundamentally the most democratic type of government and would therefore be just as legitimate as majority governments.
  3. They would need to actually care about democracy, and human rights, since they are fundamentally linked. This means a shift in policy towards indigenous and minority groups (thus why they need to ditch the crazies).

This isn't to say they wouldn't get a majority government ever (or indeed that no party ever would). In fact, I believe that the proper Conservative leader could do this in a way that would probably give them a good shot at a landslide victory in the next election. Carney has a very tough road ahead of him, but for sure the one thing that will help him get re-elected is the Conservatives digging in their heels and doing the same thing, but harder. They need to fundamentally change, and a change like this would give them the best fighting chance at looking like a trusted party to take Canada to a better place.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

real democracy is incompatible with conservatism

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

I would argue real democracy is incompatible with the current authoritarian version of conservatism, and obviously historical conservatism was created to support the monarchy, but modern conservatism is not necessarly the same as either of those, and can be reimagined. In fact I think it will necessarily need to do so, since it will face a reckoning after Trump. It has the opportunity to create a movement that can truly connect with the people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

A fraction in the right is bound to happen, you have some who are barely off center and others who are full blown seperatist maple maga, they do not agree on the same things....

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

They are always the nastiest - hopefully they will all end up shooting each other.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Jamil is such a needlessly aggressive and whiny little cunt. Dude gives off the energy of a middle school football player flipping his shit over how the other team cheated and the refs are corrupt.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

My first impression of him was a few days ago.

"Loud uncooked dough"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

This is JD Vance's bestie we're talking about. He's a fascist.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Love to see it. Hope they split apart again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Interestingly, Poilievre got more votes in Ontario than Doug did in the February provincial election. If the NDP vote hadn't collapsed the way it did he could easily have won.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If I'm reading this correctly, the political right in Canada need the political left to split the vote under a FPTP system in order to succeed?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

That's the reason the PC and Reform parties merged back in the 90s. FPTP incentives two party races, this election is a stark example.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean, if the politician does what you like, what does it matter the colour they wear?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Tribalism. Rachel Notley did great things in Alberta but she was not Conservative so everything she did was labelled bad. Trudeau pays $4B for a pipeline in AB and they still say Trudeau is anti-oil.. You just can't win with Conservatives.