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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

A long time ago I needed to install a program. It needed snap I think. Well I googled and googled and googled and I couldn't just type "sudo apt install snap" for some reason. But there was a way to get snap if you had flatpak. I didn't have flatpak So I googled and googled and googled some more and I couldn't find a way to install flatpak that didn't involve already having snap first.

So then I never fucked with flatpak or snap ever again except for that one time I installed gzdoom in flatpak and it actually worked for some reason, the end.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Still don't know how I'm supposed to add dictionaries to FF on snap. So many little issues like this with snaps.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Flatpak and SystemD Portable services are actually pretty good.

That's the direction I see Linux going. I personally use NixOS because I am sad.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I looked into Nix but it seemed like it locks you into using bash for your shell. Is that the case?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The default shell on NixOS is bash, but it can be easily changed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sorry I was meaning in the context of using nix-shell for isolated reproducible environments. I read that things can go wrong if you try to use a shell other than bash

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You could use something like nix-your-shell.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Excellent, ty for showing this to me

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Tar is not a package manager, it is just a packaging format. AppImage has the same problem.

Flatpak is a bit of a crappy package manager but at least it is one. And, due to its use of container technology, it allows the same packages to run on any Linux kernel (any Linux distro). That is pretty useful.

Of the other package managers, apk 3 is my favourite but the only distro that uses it is Chimera Linux. Pacman is good. dnf / RPM is ok. apt / deb is in last place for me. The recent Ubuntu 25.04 launch snafu illustrates some of the problems with apt. The first Linus Tech Tips Linux challenge really highlighted the dangers of apt.

I only used snap briefly but instantly hated it. Fstab was a mess. It was slow. It was proprietary. I fled before I could form an educated opinion.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

it allows the same packages to run on any Linux kernel (any Linux distro). That is pretty useful.

flatpak itself depends on namespaces, so saying that it works on any kernel is quite a stretch.

Can flatpak do this? This is a GIMP3 appimage running on ubuntu 10.04 without any container:

The kernel is so old that even the appimage runtime itself complains of missing functions and has to fallback to a workaround.

UPDATE: flatpak can't work because bubblewrap itself can't:

PR_SET_NO_NEW_PRIVS is only available since kernel 3.5

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Just curious, why are you using a 15 year old version of Ubuntu?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not, it's a vm that I use to test.

There is quite a lot of systems still stuck on kernel 2.6 that can't be updated, so it is always nice to make sure what I do can work on such.

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