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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I use them one after another just to be sure I'm up-to-date.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

I know about these and git and flatpaks and snaps and can definitely explain them all to you! But unfortunately, I just remembered I left my oven on...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'll just copy whatever is in the guide I'm following at the time.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Here lie dragons. Make sure you understand commands that you run on your computer. 👍

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cargo-culture is alive and well in the era of LLMs

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

People don't change. Some people look at what they're repeating and try to understand the why, others blindly do what they are told by whom they deem as authority. LLMs are the latest, earlier were various websites (which LLMs were trained on, uh oh), still before that were the computer magazines with things to type in and the later versions even maybe a free CD of stuff. The printed media was less likely to have malicious things in them, but lord did they have errors, and the right error in the wrong place could ruin someone's day if they just ran it without understanding it.

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[–] [email protected] 338 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The binary is called apt-get. There are others like apt-cache etc.

Apt is a script that just figures out which binary to use and passes the arguments on.

apt update -> apt-get update
apt policy -> apt-cache policy

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

One has super cow powers, the other one doesn't.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

apt | cowsay

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

apt is newer and mostly supersedes apt-get/apt-cache/etc tools, tries to be a more-approachable frontend.

They interoperate though, so if you're happy with using a mix of them, go for it. I generally just use apt.

EDIT: There were also some older attempts to produce a unified frontend, like aptitude.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

mostly supersedes apt-get/apt-cache/etc tools,

Except for in scripts. Debian guarantee that the output format of apt-get will never change and thus it's safe to use in scripts that parse the output, whereas they don't have the same guarantee for apt, which can change between releases.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (5 children)

When working with RHEL I always flip a coin to see if I'm gonna use yum or dnf this time

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Wait until you learn of aptitude...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

@[email protected] @cm0002 Oh, hey, I found myself on here.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

Dpkg

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[+] [email protected] -15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I got mistaken. See replies for explanation

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Apt: get whatever is in the cached package list

Apt-get: lookup the package to see the latest version and get that one

Unless you always apt update, apt-get is the go to choice for modern day Linux

There's also the apt-apt command, who triggers any audiophile to start complaining about mainstream music quality these days

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Alias is your friend.

alias install="sudo apt update && sudo apt install -y"

install git

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd recommend avoiding aliases that conflict with regular commands, and there's a standard Linux command called install. https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/install.1.html

If you're going to always pass the -y flag then I'd add --no-install-recommends too.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I disagree. According to Debian's own documentation, apt is a newer front-end for your daily CLI updating and installing needs.
It has simplified syntax, and combines the most-used functions and options.
It is not meant for use in scripts, cause the syntax may change between versions.

The dependency-solver in the back-end is identical.

tl/dr:
apt is shorter to type and will have prettier output, starting with Debian 13.
Use apt-get inside scripts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My personal experience is that apt-get will absolutely miss packages that apt will capture.

I was actually surprised by that about six months ago and finally switched over to apt after years of apt-get.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's actually one of the reasons I switched from Debian to Arch.
Dependency resolution shouldn't differ based on which front-end you use.
Debian has dpkg, aptitude, apt-get, apt, synaptic, the Software Center...
Fedora has rpm, dnf, yum. SUSE adds a couple more. I don't get it.
A linux distro should have one package manager, doing different stuff with it should be done via different commands/options inside it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

As a (still) Linux novice, this is something that I noticed with later distributions but never thought about your valid point. I did always wonder why there should be different places to install things in the same OS. It would probably be fine if they handled things the same, but then all you're doing is changing the UI. It never "felt" like they did things the same.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity, can pacman update flatpaks? Or do you still have to update those independent of your package manager?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It can't. I use a very simple script to combine updates and the basics of system maintenance:

#!/usr/bin/env bash
systemctl --failed -q
yay -Pw
sudo pacman -Syu
flatpak update
flatpak uninstall --unused
pacman -Qqnte > ~/.local/share/applications/pkglist.txt
pacman -Qqdtt > ~/.local/share/applications/optdeplist.txt
pacman -Qqem > ~/.local/share/applications/foreignpkglist.txt
pacman -Qtd
pacman -Qm | grep -v yay-bin
sudo find /etc -name *.pac*
yay -Ps | grep Cache

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

I can concur, thats what my research also indicates. Plus I am too lazy to type apt-get

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Following this post for replies, for a friend of course

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You may want to tell your friend to check it now!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago

Friends says thanks, friend !

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