Well, let's find out if we delay fascism for 4 years or not.
this post was submitted on 27 Apr 2025
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I wonder if the election will be over as soon as the polls close in Ontario.
Quebec and Ontario
An often noted oddity of the Canadian population is to draw a horizontal line at Windsor Ontario and a vertical line at Huntsville Ontario .... everything south and east of that line is 90% of the Canadian population.
Kind looks like we'll need to wait all night based on the initial results coming out of the alantic.
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I recall in 2015 that when Atlantic Canada went solid red that was enough to show that the Liberals won entirely and the rest was just waiting the night out.
I just have no patience to listen to "what if" the whole night.
CBC reporting that some people are finding that the elections Canada website is not working.
If you find the Election Canada Website is down for you try checking here
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/federal/2025/results/
Thank you, I've added that link to the top of the post
First result has come in!
God bless Labrador.
After this is all done, we need to rebuild the left in this country. We need the NDP to be putting forth bold policy proposals to neutralize the far right populist appeal of the fucking conservative ghouls.
They need to replace Singh from the leadership .... I have a lot of respect for him and I do appreciate him but you have to be realistic, the majority of the country is still very conservative Eurocentric minded population. The majority of the country do not identify with a politician with a turban. I have no problem with it but there are still many, many people out there that will never support someone like this. Singh also brings in the controversy and troubles of the Sikh / Indian controversies.
I hate to say it and hate to admit it but the only way that the NDP can grow is for the leadership to be replaced by someone who is white but at the very least someone who does not identify with a specific ethnic / religious group by wearing a piece of clothing to identify themselves.
I am a lifelong NDP supporter ... I voted for them in my riding here in northern Ontario. But I do know from personal experience and from talking to people in my area that the greatest stumbling block for them voting NDP is that they just can't identify with a leader who represents a very small ethnic minority in the country.
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We also need a better NDP leader. I like Jagmeet but he has not succeeded at this.
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we need to rebuild the left
Well, memberships are cheap and it's easy to get involved at the riding level where you can vote for the local leadership at the AGM, help make policy at conventions, vote for the leader,... Membership has its privileges.
And to engage peoples hard, negative feelings. The conservatives keep capturing the NDP's natural base because they refuse to actually reflect their feelings and perceptions back to them. This whole "let's get along, and cancel your bank fees" thing doesn't resonate.
We need European style left populism, like MΓ©lenchon in France, or Corbyn in the UK. The mainstream media are going to call us hippie socialists no matter how "costed" and "responsible" our platform is. We need to be going for the jugular.
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Going to keep myself in the dark until tomorrow morning. Good luck Canada's democracy!
Edit: I see democracy has prevailed! And a minority with NDP holding the power balance is a favourable result for progressives!
I envy your willpower. My anxiety wouldn't let me sleep tonight without at least checking how things are going.
I have mixed emotions today. I grieved for a few days after tRump was elected in 2024, processing the state and direction of the US. I've never had such a powerful reaction to election results before. I'm guarding myself for the possibility that PP forms a minority government. Improbable but possible. I would hurt and be worried, like I was after tRump last fall.
I voted in the advance polls over Easter weekend, when 7.2 million Canadians turned out iirc. I felt a greater than usual sense of civic duty amongst voters in the voting station - like people felt it especially important to have their voice heard in this election.
Voting typically inspires some pride in me about this country we are fortunate to call home. And although I've nervously been checking CBC News today for issues at polling stations, I also take pride in our voting process. The shit that goes on in the States in and around voting stations is obscene and very undemocratic. Thankfully I've read about no voting-related issues so far. (Our thoughts though are with the Filipino community and everyone affected by the tragedy in BC.)
Ideally, I'd like to have a Liberal minority with an NDP coalition. Second best would be a Liberal majority. I think that's the most likely outcome. For ABC reasons (especially now that C is MAGA-lite), I'd accept it.
tRump's comments today - presumably undermining PP's votes more than anything - surprised me. As did some comments DoFo made about PP and Carney over the weekend. It made me realize that the Conservative party leaders (Marlaina, schMoe, DoFo, PP) in this country have quite different relationships with the other adjacent political forces (i.e., Carney and tRump).
I'm looking forward to election coverage tonight! And I hope to breathe a sigh of relief soon. Don't @#$% this one up, Canada!
I had 3 people in front of me at my polling booth, got out in 10 minutes. I think that is the longest its taken me to vote in years. I always go first thing in the morning, lol. Hate lineups.
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There was a long line out the door of the polling place, but they were all new registrations.
No line at my poll, so I was out in the rain again in about two minutes.
Hmmm that does not sound amazing. Maybe there was a lot of movement in and out of the riding β¦. Weird.
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Lurking American here. Curious who you think will win in your gut? I understand we won't really know until results are counted. A couple of stories covered by American media (one definitely liberal leaning) I've read and listened to seems to think because of the odiousness of our president, liberals may take it? Do you think that's likely?
If enough people saw Trump's rant this morning, Carney and Libs get a majority. If they didn't, it could be tight.
Curious who you think will win in your gut?
I'm feeling it's Carney but I don't feel confident at all. Might be wishful thinking. Polling hasn't been reliable enough for me to be at peace.
to think because of the odiousness of our president, liberals may take it? Do you think thatβs likely?
Trump being disgusting seems to have nudged some in favor of Liberals, but it's also not the major reason imho. The Liberal strategy of getting rid of Trudeau and the consumer carbon pricing worked, because Conservatives spent the last 5 years yammering non-stop about these two things as their promise. Conservatives were literally calling it a "carbon tax election". Scrambling to find a new platform, Conservatives started to pivot into generic bullshit like "Canada First", and that's where they ended up likening themselves to Trump even more.
Pretty much the only thing Conservatives have going for them now is chanting that Liberals have been in power for too long and "we need change". But their platform without ax-the-tax and fuck-trudeau was reduced to the same basic shit as ever: tough on crime, cheap gas, and transphobia.
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Carney. Liberal Majority.
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The NDP had 9 years to press the promise of PR and did nothing. Fuck em. I hope they lose party status.
It was a mistake (in obvious retrospect) to not settle for RCV. Singh made his weekend speech, "vote strategically to not split for CPC win", which never has to be said under RCV. You can instead double down on why you should be first or 2nd choice, and voter only needs to agree to help you/party. You don't get strategic voting instructions from mainstream media. You have to rely on actively searched for leaked polling data that may or may not be true.
That's what I meant in long form. If they would have held the Libs to account, they could have got it. Instead they backed themselves into a corner and us into a two-party system. Fuck them in the π π but this is what they get for not being the NDP Canadians needed.
Did they accomplish something? Sure, but not what we most need to avoid the pitfalls of a two-party ticket in the future. And the future is here.
PR is a non-starter for the liberals, their party would completely disappear if they passed it. That's why they sabotaged/killed it even though they promised last time.
The NDP couldn't push it through even if they wanted, all it would have done is forced an election into the Conservatives.
This. PR is a death knell for the bigger parties and they'll fight it. Maybe. Mayyyybe that can be pushed for RCV. But I think Mr Singh didn't have the poker hand for that and needed to play for dental framework instead. Continuing on that would have been great, but he overplayed his hand as it was and set Justin on the election course.
This time, if Mark wins the big bag and runs majority, we'll see lots of minor improvements but nothing glamorous: his people will keep any big gains in the war chest and/or spent immediately on an independent euro-connected peacekeeper force.
We're gonna see real estate shenanigans, though, same as cons, with bungalow boondoggles and sprawl for quick cheap housing to satisfy the numbers, and it'll be a long time before we can claw ourselves farther away from the same Muni economic brink that Detroit fell over with its unsustainable bungalow sprawl. But keep in mind almost no one has a good plan to get good, dense, walkable mixed-use tower housing linked to trains because that's a project with excellent returns at a pace too slow for the protestors. If Mark does anything foundational for that it'll be noise amid the effort to placate the short-thinkers and stay in power for a better term next time.
We're gonna see a lot of younger voters looking for the whizbang change the cons offer, not understanding the whole story, the motivations, and the history of every other time we got onboard there. Harper.
But if we can get steady gains, if we can improve ancillary healthcare coverage like the last term, if we can start the ground work for RCV which is more appealing to the incumbent giants, then we could see that in 5 years as a hard promise.
In those 5 years we need to teach kids what "the whole truth" looked like under Mr Harper and see whether they like the side of the box with the nutrient value - mmm, riboflavin - as much as the front of the box with the splashy graphics the offer of the free prize inside.
I'm not sold on PP/PR, and I understand RCV to help liberals more, but I disagree that LPC would do poorly under PP.
The Liberals only benefit from various PR type options if we assume that new parties wouldn't form and only the existing parties are competing.
That wouldn't be the case.
Doesn't matter in the end though. I think Liberals have a large enough conservative (status quo) voterbase among WASPy city population that they would always be an at least German SDP level party, forming coalition governments left and right.
And if not, well, they've been the "default party of Canada" for long enough.