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Autists will be one of the first in the camps it seems. In fact, getting out of America should strongly be considered

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I received an email from the place I got diagnosed saying they would never share diagnosis results voluntarily, and would not give access to those results, without a legal battle. Their stance is that their patient's rights fall under HIPPA and applicable state privacy laws, making them confidential. They sent out a statement saying they do not support any kind of registry that lacks full informed consent, and that they stand with the neurodivergent community.

Based on the wording the hitlerites in the gov't are using to describe how they'll get our data, it might actually be through medication, vaccination status, and disability claims on medical records, but don't quote me on that (and please fact check me if I'm incorrect, I'm pretty tired rn).

It scares me that no mention of protecting minors' privacy and safety are being mentioned much. I can't imagine how scary this must be for younger folks right now. Stay safe out there, and keep your wits about you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I am still undiagnosed and not in the US, but this sort of thing and employment evaluations are still the big reasons I haven't pursued it.

We have the tech broyi big data medical records where I live, if I had the diagnosis, it would be so easy to pick me up from the records. The surveillance that people have just willingly signed up for cover all medical records nbd diagnoses on a national level. They are just ready to be exploited for when this country gets to where the US is now.

I am so worried for our US comrades tbh.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I see camps being less likely and more the old “lunatic asylum” system being resurrected. Whoever remembers how to do lobotomies will be making a lot of money in the near future.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Let's be real, whoever can claim to know how to do a lobotomy — it's the type of surgery you can literally learn to perform from a five-minute YouTube video, it takes ten minutes to do, and if it goes wrong-er than usual then that's "all the better" for certain parties.

Incidentally, I'm just now learning about Howard Dully, one of the youngest survivors of a lobotomy and co-author of the memoir My Lobotomy. He apparently died in February of this year at the age of 76. He had two YouTube channels, apparently the one channel was made to try to raise support for making a feature film based on his life, which evidently never came to fruition; the other one has much more varied content, including interestingly enough a lot of pirate uploads of shows from his childhood. It is in any case very striking to hear a lobotomy survivor in more or less modern times talking about his life in a very lucid manner — because he got the procedure so young and was otherwise very fortunate for a lobotomy survivor, brain plasticity allowed him to with time regain a lot of function.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I had looked into autism diagnosis as an adult and there are basically no upsides. It's expensive and you'll have to fight doctors for it, and you'll be given a piece of paper that doesn't mean anything to anyone. There are no real resources (the ones gated by neoliberal austerity that require the paper) for autistic adults in the US from what I've seen. For adults it seems to be "just be thankful your support level is low".

Nobody is going to check your papers and kick you out of a support group or meeting for not having them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Having an autism diagnosis has already been a hurdle to approval for adopting a child. If that existed, to me it meant neurodivergent people would be a target in the future.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah I'd almost never disclose ND status regardless of what it is and to what bureaucracy, it's almost always bad, and it's almost always on me to fight for any kind remedy regardless of disclosure. The liberal rules around disclosure esp. in the work place are effectively meant to make ND people more vulnerable. The standards protect only those with visible physical disabilities to a extremely minimal degree.

The only things protecting us have been HIPAA. That's actually the worst part about RFK's database, given that the government just leaked Abrego Garcia's wife's address to their stochastic psycho contingent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

IDK what I have, as far as the full spectrum of neurodiversity does, and I'm definitely suffering in some way as a result, but I'd expand this to far more than autism, I think if they have any success sending people to death camps for autism, they'll probably start picking up everyone else without even making an announcement. In fact, it would not surprise me if suddenly they start picking up random US citizens and just declare them autistic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

In fact, it would not surprise me if suddenly they start picking up random US citizens and just declare them autistic.

I have my doubts about this because they are already doing this through ICE and they have said they are going to do it for people who disagree with the President regardless of their citizenship status.

RFK's HHS is not going to out-compete ICE to create a general gestapo model, it already exists, has for a long time, in multiple different modes. It's just that it was much more polite before.

I'm much more scared about keeping my passport up to date, and being denaturalized than I am about RFK's goofy autism caregiver based genocidal ideas.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

RFK already said he wants to create work camps for autistic people, so it'll probably be a way to get cheap labour from the white population as they deport the non-white population.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah he has. I am 50:50 on if he actually believes that or it's shoe horning stuff into Trump's policy agenda. I think he literally believes that we cannot work so how would labor camps even work? His whole "wellness farms" stuff was funny because bringing back RFK Jr. designed sanitoriums during a fascist austerity government after Regan happened is a nonstarter. I do not believe that RFK is going to be able to put together a network of camps and the mechanisms to round people up into them. ICE under Trump is less effective than under Biden/Obama but is more brazen. There's like several steps that here that aren't going to be easy, and it's a game of numbers not just if you'll get got by the RFK HHS but also if the RFK HHS will be able to get you at all.

I think RFK's average case success scenario for this is having some high profile arrests and claiming mission accomplished.

Remember that these systems were actually made effective or outright built by competent technocratic ghouls during the Democrat run government years. Bush's war in the middle east was a failure, Obama mechanized it and turned it into a success (politically speaking because he removed American troops from the political equation). Biden adopted Trump's border policy and made it work effectively and proved it out in the stats and Democrats were complaining that the evil fascists of the GOP weren't giving them credit for being good effective fascists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What about the HHS classifications/work providing a basis for categorization for Federal LE action, 'rounding up'? Then they wouldn't be competing, like that, but they both end up contributing. I've tried talking to people about this recently and was told off basically. "Don't believe what you hear." I think they said. (Started with talking about the statements about ADHD work camps.)

Also, idk if this comes off as risky to discuss publicly given everything, but do you mean having your passport for leaving later or that you already have and keeping it current is important (because obviously). And where are you considering for places to go other than the U.S.?

Sorry to bother you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What about the HHS classifications/work providing a basis for categorization for Federal LE action, ‘rounding up’?

My personal risk profile doesn't match this because there is no diagnosis. I think it can represent a real risk for others.

My opinion on this is that I think this is an RFK pet project that he's shoe horning into DJT's world view. I don't think RFK is long for being HHS secretary, because Trump doesn't like him and they are both guys who cannot share the spotlight.

There is real risk to real people from the Trump admin, but I think we have to temper the assessment of that risk with the political instability and the incompetence of a cartoonish fascist government. They are more effective with ICE and dissident management this time around because they had 4 years to plan, and they had several successful trial balloons between 2016-2020. I think creating pathological or technical criteria for the rounding up is something that is needed for a technocratic fascist positioning very much a Dem party thing (Think: You can't support Hamas they're terroristorinos!). Trump has been signaling that he's literally trying to fuck over those who simply disagree publicly. You do not need pathological criteria to rile up your base for that. Democrat, dissident, and anti-American are labels that can do that job just as effectively.

It's also not actually about the practical population transfer but imposing control. If they really wanted to get rid of autistic people esp. kids on the cheap they could do it through federal austerity faster/easier than putting us all in camps.

I can be wrong, but I just don't think RFK's agenda is going to be durable and mesh with the overall WH goals and this they have 6 of these types of pots on the stove so I'm not betting on RFK being a danger to me.

Also, idk if this comes off as risky to discuss publicly given everything, but do you mean having your passport for leaving later or that you already have and keeping it current is important (because obviously). And where are you considering for places to go other than the U.S.?

No I'm not leaving. I was naturalized as a child and the immigration law at the time did not provide children with their own naturalization documents. My proof of citizenship is my old collection of US passports, current passport / passport card. I can pay $5k for the INS to print me a certificate, but lol cmon.

This is my de jure defense of "I'm not fucking going to El Salvador", my de facto one is I keep that thing on me. My conditions for leaving the country are if it's not going to be possible for me and my partner to live here from an economic / personal safety POV. We aren't planning on children so I have it easier than most, and from the outside I can pass as "normal" from a ND/political POV. A lot of this stuff is very much "don't rock the boat" signal.

I have been at peace with the fact that I could be deported under US law since I was a teenager, so this isn't really anything new to me. This is just surviving. I'm doing my dailies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I don't think I can get it taken off my records so I am very nervous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Waaaaay ahead of you there, my paranoia about the rise of the 4th reich is why I never sought diagnosis for over a decade of thinking I may be autistic

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

They're making a list🎵 We're paying the price🎵 It's not a surprise🎵 Since they came for Trans Rights🎵 Black triangles'🎵 Cominnnn, to townnnnnnn🎵

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

go into autism death camps thread

people are mostly discussing the finer points of the personal noun form of the word autism

:classic:

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

An hour from now:

go into autism death camps thread

people are mostly discussing people discussing the finer points of the personal noun form of the word autism

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I can’t get past how strange of a hill this is to die on. Though I have to imagine this rhetoric is completely based on optics and mob preference (just like the latin xenophobia). Either that or the state is afraid of us because we don’t fold to social norms and traditions.

Like I get parents being scared of having disabled kids for the financial strain if nothing else, but like afaik most autistics can be self sufficient and independent with the right developmental help. Compared to a serious physical disability or developmental/degenerative neurological disability it seems kinda silly. I would guess my parents paid more for me to play hockey as a kid than it would cost to provide assistance to the average autistic (with money left over for the kid to be into less expensive activities).

If we’re looking for preventative mental issues how about we worry about american football first.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If capital cannot profit off of you, it will kill you. Autistic people tend to be bad at the wage work capital demands of us - hence why so many of us are chronically unemployed.
It is impossible to overstate the extent to which neurotypical people see us as objects of disgust and contempt. It's super-common even for progressive and allegedly leftist spaces to treat us as subhuman. I don't expect them to put up much resistance on our behalf and presumably neither does capital.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If capital cannot profit off of you, it will kill you. Autistic people tend to be bad at the wage work capital demands of us - hence why so many of us are chronically unemployed.

This is an important point. We should remember that this means that the most realistic worse-case model they have to cleanse us en masse is corporate private prison contracting where some Trump friendly dipshit gets $25k/per body a month from the Fed to warehouse us in a concrete tomb.

They cannot kill us cheaply and we aren't actually a balance sheet problem because there is realistically social spending for the majority of us. They'll starve all disabled and poor people before they single us out in any effective way. We might be a trial balloon, but it's extremely unlikely that we'll get it nearly as bad as migrants.

Autism is just a political talking point for their shit for brains NT base who doesn't want to be shown anything on the TV except their own shallow world view, and for the people who they talk about the TV with in public to never tell them the TV is wrong. We're just a means to an end, effectively to get society to agree to the fact that kids should die of measles.

America in 2025 is utterly incapable of mega-projects like Japanese internment, the government has been too hollowed out. They spent $1.1 billion in 2025 dollars in the 1940's just to build the camps alone using the US Army Corps of Engineers, the CCA and WRA. They were mostly public works. Doing something of this size is going to be a major in-fight between oligarchs on who gets this money, and it won't be $1.1 b done over a year, it will balloon to hundreds of billions and be stuck in development hell because of all the inefficiencies.

A single prison today typically costs $1b. For example Indiana is currently building a new prison for $1.2 that holds 4,200 people. They started in 2023, they're expected to finish in 2027.

Don't get me wrong people will be hurt, but we are so laughably incapable of 20th century style population transfers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Like I get parents being scared of having disabled kids for the financial strain if nothing else, but like afaik most autistics can be self sufficient and independent with the right developmental help.

It's basically been a long running joke in my family that back in my father and grandfather's day we didn't have people with autism. We just had engineers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know there's a lot of benefits from having the term, and a community around it. But sometimes I do wonder if maybe we lost some of the benefits that come with the old approach of "some people are like that, it would be a funny old world if we were all the same".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

The old approach has a lot of downsides esp. for our more visible comrades who need support.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Okay I'm curious, are autism diagnosis kept on any kind of central data base? I get there's some of that with other medicinal records but aren't most cases of autism diagnosed by childhood psychologist and therapists, do they have a central database? Aren't a lot of people self-diagnosed?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

At the state level only, until now. I think there were like 8 US states that kept a registry with mandatory reporting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The first people have already been sent to camps and they are Latin Americans.

Side note, how do people with autism feel about the word autist? I feel like I've only seen it used by terminally online people as a sort of slur

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

i do not like autist as ive only ever heard it used as a slur at me and others. the matter is far from settled and there is no "preferred nomenclature." you're supposed to ask people individually, which is great unless you're in a group - i think maybe "autistic" is fine, like "autistic people" but that's just my preference. if someone opened with "autists" i would absolutely tense up and probably not engage with what they were saying

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am not going to argue your POV because it's valid. But what is your opinion on autistic people using the term autist?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Same feelings as I have about the T slur for trans people if I'm being honest, sorry. Basically I dont want to hear it, it hurts, but I dont begrudge people using it on themselves I guess

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not going to dox myself, but I am an autism activist and we all pretty much use the term autist. If you read Unmasking Autism, a good book btw, it will show that Autist is the preferred nomenclature

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Autist is the preferred nomenclature

for who, the author? many autistic people dislike the term. IMO we don't really even need a noun for autistic people. adjectives work fine.