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[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

Do we get to choose how it’s distributed? Here are some fun options I came up with.

  1. $13.69 per day for a year. (Nice). About $419/month. Maybe they could round up to $420 because they stale internet meme culture is hip

  2. $0.76 per day for 18 years. A guaranteed $22.80 per month for an entire childhood

  3. $5000 lump sum. I can’t find any widely accepted figures for average out of pocket cost of prenatal care, child birth, and infant health visits. I’ll wild ass guess it a at covering 20-75% of those visits for people who have insurance. For people without insurance, looks like an uncomplicated vaginal birth averages $14k. But again huge variations in price

[–] [email protected] 22 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Ban corporations from owning residential properties. Outlaw rent as a form of slavery. Every person currently renting residential property becomes the owner of the property they're renting. The 14,000,000 empty residential properties in the USA which are mostly corporate owned get confiscated and distributed based on the needs and skills of the families that need them. Empty 6 bedroom farmhouse on 40 acres of land goes to a family with 5 kids that is willing to farm. One bedroom condominium in the city goes to a single person or a couple. Housing is a human right. Fuck corporations. Tax the wealthy the way they did 80 years ago and use the money to pay for universal health care and free college. Tax robotic labor and AI administrative labor to pay for universal basic income. Let the robots do the work, just give us all our fair share. Nationalize all fossil fuels as a step to phasing them out. When the money from selling oil all goes to the public good rather than corporate profits, it will be much easier to switch to renewables. With free housing, UBI, free college, and universal healthcare in place, lots of people will be interested in having children.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 hours ago

You can have practically free housing. Just buy this for 18500 euros.

https://www.rumah123.com/properti/batam/hos19254242/?price-unit-type=metersquare

Or do you want.. free stuff while also having people invest capital in your area?

I don't think it works that way.

Best we can do is tax your labour and redistribute it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 22 hours ago

Maybe if the world people were raising their kids in didn't look so fucking gloomy thanks to some fascist fucks, they'd want to have more kids.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

He is rich and has no reference for the price of everyday items

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago

It's one year of daycare, Michael. What could it cost? $5000?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Think of how many bananas you could buy with $5k.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 21 hours ago

"It's raising a child for ~20 years, Michael. What could it cost? 5k?"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

People are not having kids because the middle class cannot afford it. Assuming your household has the average American household income of 80k. This would give the household something like 40k at most after the kid's associated expenses, which means that each parent would have a whopping 20k to themselves. This is positively fucked because they would have to have a quality of life similar to someone who is eligible for food stamps, but they would not be themselves. Kids are for those who already benefit from government programs, or those who can afford a very expensive pet for a minimum of 15 years.

All this will do is increase the number of children born into poverty, which already accounts for the majority of children born in America.

You want an actual solution? Give parents food stamps up to a yearly income of 120k

I also find the implication that a human life is worth $5,000 disgusting.

It was clear to me that when the gov't went after reproductive rights, it was because declining birthrates are detrimental to capitalism. The money cannot stop; the money cannot slow down. Capitalism REQUIRES exponential growth in every regard.

Any "moral" reason given by a politician against abortion is a thinly veiled disguise to ensure that the machine always has enough cogs to keep running and growing.

How are you going to say a fetus is priceless and then say a live infant is worth $5,000? Fucking disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t see a clear association in saying a baby is worth $5,000 when existing tax law says a baby is worth $2,000 off your taxes. It’s an incentive, not a bill of sale.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

Drops back down to $1000 for 2025 unless the increase is extended. A $5000 payout is actually less of a payout than just extending the current CTC.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

It costs $40k/year for daycare. Start handing out $5k to moms, daycare now costs $45k/year.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 minutes ago* (last edited 5 minutes ago)

They already hand out 3k a year for kids, up to 6k, as well as up to 5k in credits available based on how much you spend and your income level. And I live in Jersey, where everything is expensive, and we were ranked fifth most expensive place to have kids in daycare, and even with two kids in I didn't pay 40k. Not sure we even cracked 30k, but it was probably close.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

It blows my mind that so many people don’t understand this concept.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Maybe they should improve the quality of life for working families to get them to be confident enough to have more babies naturally?

....nah, it's obviously the queers fault!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Japan has an aging population and tried a lot, with not much success...

Prosperity = less kids, so we shouldn't be surprised what Trump is going to try...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

lol at one point I was paying more for daycare than my mortgage.

5k, these people are 🤡

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

That tracks. I'm paying about $15k for pre-k/daycare throughout the year, which really only covers about 7-8mo, then there's camps, babysitters, etc. I easily spend $25k on each kid and I'm not in New York or somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

May barely cover the hospital bill for those many without health insurance. But of course the proposed bonus is intended for middle class white babies

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Average cost for an uninsured birth is 19,000.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"I mean it's one child, Michael. How much could it cost? Five thousand dollars?"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago

Aw you got it before I did...

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