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toxic masculinity, tons of people aware of the bad things but most people think its taboo for men to think about their social reformation.

Some of my more well versed lady friends basically describe it like "the women can't do all the social reformation, men gotta do their part too"

Would be nice to make this thread into a list of resources, like groups, YouTube channels, websites, books, whatever.

It would be very helpful to define these things for people too I think, I don't think there is a name for men's social revolution yet, or at least one that is well known.

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[–] confuser@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

Also, sleep, diet, exercise.

I've been getting into that the past year or so and I wish somebody told me sooner that if you get this basics right, you essentially become a 10x better version of yourself in everything lol

[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 62 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Work first on being a good human.
That will make you a good (and attractive) man or woman.

The archaic concept of masculinity or femininity itself is wretched.

People worry far too much about what others think of them and what mold they should fit into. Be yourself. Be a good, caring, empathetic person with convictions and passions and hobbies. Become proficient in one or more things so others find you interesting. Learn how to do things without the aid of technology. Read books. Travel as far as you can. Give a shit about yourself and your community.

If you’re struggling to fit a mold that society is telling you you should fit into, you’re already lost. That doesn’t mean you can’t find yourself. It means that mold probably isn’t right for you. And there is nothing wrong with that. If others have a problem with you not being what they expect, that’s their issue to resolve. The sooner you’re able to let go of societal concepts, the more free you’ll be to be the best version of you.

Don’t confuse being a good man and being a good person. It’s the same thing. There is nothing you can do to become more of a man that won’t make you more of a person.

[–] confuser@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah this is the most best advice in this context tbh. Sometimes it is helpful to meet people where they are too which is often doing things targeted to men.

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[–] EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think it would be great if more men read (or just read summaries of) basic feminist texts, especially Judith Butler and people of her ilk. Before I realised I wasn't a man they helped me. I think the deconstruction of gender that feminism offers serve men just as much as women - it made masculinity feel like less of a prison (nevermind that I ultimately largely moved more feminine).

I remember reading authors like John Stoltenberg, the aforementioned Judith Butler, and some perspectives of feminism/masculinity in a working class context.

[–] confuser@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think too many people treat masculinity as specific things. This was a quote I stumbled upon just now.

"Masculinity is not the opposite of femininity, but rather the opposite of boyish immaturity"

Like flowers as a gift for example, everyone can enjoy this, the semantics of how it is enjoyed is different for different people.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

!mensliberation@lemmy.ca has good discussion on this topic

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[–] confuser@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"Masculinity is not the opposite of femininity, but rather the opposite of boyish immaturity."

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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That other people seem to be misunderstanding your question, just providing examples of men with positive masculinity (although I would say Iroh is a good one, on that topic), rather than resources for men to become better more positively masculine. Is that what you mean, correct?

[–] confuser@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hmm yeah that's a good point, I guess I wasn't clear, I also didn't really know what I was thinking exactly when I made the post whether examples or resources were best.

I think both is good

Yeah iroh is freaking awesome

For those that don't know about iroh in atla A video about uncle iroh and masculinity

[–] confuser@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Doctor K/HealthyGamerGG talking about this on diary of a ceo

[–] Berttheduck@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Lord of the Rings. Aragorn is a perfect example of positive masculinity. Strong, brave, a good leader, emotionally available and connected to all his friends. Sam and Frodo are also very positive. Books and films are good. Cinema Therapy YouTube channel has a few episodes on the lord of the rings and they are all good watches. The Aragorn one covers positive masculinity I think.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Aragorn also abandoned his duties for decades because he was overwhelmed with feelings of inadequacy. No matter how good you are, it is also ok to forgive yourself for not being perfect or having genetic skeletons in your closet.

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