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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Alfalfa-> alphaalpha-> sigmasigma

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Super water users now angry their right wing fuckers no longer care specifically about them

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

“In the long run…” so he's still onboard. Let him ride the failure train to financial ruin. Maybe then he'll learn.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think I care if he learns

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

Oh no! Not the Trump supporting farmers!

[–] [email protected] 101 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Wouldn't this be a good thing for the fresh water supply in the US if the US stopped exporting alfalfa.

Sure, I didn't read this article, so I'm just going off all the previous years of articles about how much fresh water this is using. And I've never researched the downstream effects of cattle in the middle east becoming more expensive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

RFK jr has plans to fix the fresh water supply situation.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

RFK jr has plans to ~~fix~~ monetize the fresh water supply situation.

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

Answer:

  • The water-intensive farming is absolutely fucking the ecology of the American southwest in a way that's effectively irreversible on human timescales.
  • The money being generated by this farming is going to a select few completely undeserving, morally bankrupt people who know the damage they're doing and are hoarding swathes of land and water rights they were given for effectively nothing generations ago.
  • This alfalfa is then shipped internationally to Saudi Arabia literally halfway across the world, generating greenhouse gas emissions and other forms of pollution.
  • This alfalfa is then used to grow cattle, meaning that value is being extracted from the US – at a meager cost compared to the externalities we bear – and given to the theocratic shithole whose entire economy is based on destroying the planet that is Saudi Arabia.
  • Edit: the cows produce a bunch of methane over their lifetime.
  • The cows are then brutally murdered for food despite extensive evidence that cows can feel pain and do feel emotions like fear.
  • This cow meat is then fed to people despite the fact that 1) red meat is a class 2a carcinogen (and frankly in light of evidence that vegetarian and vegan diets reduce risks of certain cancers by double-digit percentages, we're all just waiting until it's confirmed rather than heavily suspected as a carcinogen), 2) it substantially increases the risk of heart disease, and 3) it elevates the risk for diabetes when compared to plant-based foods which are cheaper and less resource-intensive to create.

It's a benefit to essentially everyone if alfalfa farming becomes less profitable. The entire chain from water to cow meat is unjust, cruel, and otherwise fucking terrible.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago

Good answer. (Not sarcasm)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If I recall, moat of it went to Saudi Arabia?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Not quite, well at least not for the US as a whole, but could be different for California/Arizona specifically if anyone has the numbers?

As for US, China exports were still about the same as next two countries combined, so by far the largest market. Good riddance anyway. Source: https://hayandforage.com/article-5229-Hay-exports-flatlined-in-2024.html

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Crushed alfalfa anyone? Anyone?

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

How nice, alfalfa should not be farmed especially at this scale

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

And not at all in the middle of the Sonoran desert, in and around a city of 5 million people, where water is a limited resource.

Phoenix has plenty of water to suit the population if it’s used wisely. Alfalfa is not a wise use of water.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Alfalfa is a great crop. It has deep roots which store carbon in the soil, it is drought tolerant, it's high yielding and it's nitrogen fixating meaning it improves the soil quality and does not require nitrogen fertilizer which normally is a huge carbon footprint. Overall fantastic crop if you need fodder for ruminant animals. The big problem is farming it on an absurd scale in the middle of the damn desert. Alfalfa does not require irrigation in regions with ample rainfall.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, as far as I’m concerned, exporting alfalfa is just exporting water

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