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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

my sibling, putting their finger close but not on me: I'm not touching you!

Me, who understands matter never touches because of electromagnetic forces putting my finger on my sibling: I'm not touching you!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

im so glad that we aren't the only species that do hoverhands.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

The Witness has rewired my brain to look for dot line patterns.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

They‘re just like me fr

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is real? I read about it in a scifi (or rather solar punk) novel and thought it's a metaphor or something

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It wasn't as good as "Wild-Built."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

True. I liked both but the first was better

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

For sure. It's almost an unfair comparison, but that is the comparison we are forced to make.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Imagine a stranger holding your hand in public transport like this 😲😳

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I was curious and looked it up. Apparently it mostly happens between trees of the same species, with several causes.

Most are mechanical. The tips brush against each other, and damage new balances and leaves. Both trees divert growth away from the area.

Some also sense shading via red light. They focus growth away from shade. This means neither tree grows into the gap, since they are partially shading each other.

It also helps limit the spread of leaf eating parasites. Again, particularly useful in a forest of the same species.

So yes, the trees are social distancing, to avoid the spread of disease.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I was curious and looked it up.

Lol I thought you said you looked up at the trees, and just observed all those facts

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

balances -> branches* :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I think there's also a corelation on how dense a forest can get because it affects the sunlight in ground too. If it gets too dark then life would rot underneath

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So you're saying the trees can accomplish what humanity never could.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We did a good job down here, sounds like your country must’ve sucked at it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah i thought we went well too.

To be fair though or population density is so low, there's more people in some cities then our country

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

But we’re also incredibly urbanised, with basically half our population living in 2 cities alone. That’s more beneficial to a virus spreading than simply population size.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Considering how little conflict we currently have, compared to our population size, we are doing extremely well. Unfortunately, the conflicts remaining are spectacular enough to counter that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Trees hella smart.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This shouldnt happen in nature should it? Just talking out of my ass here but i feel like this only happens because they are all the same height because they were planted by humans at the same time. Or maybe only in mono culture forests, because i have never seen this simply because there is always overlap from smaller or different trees where i have been.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I'm no expert, but plants could all begin growing at the same time in nature thanks to things like wildfires, landslides, etc.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Not only should it happen in nature, but nature causes this behavior. They evolved that way because they survive better than a species that gets tangled up in itself. That's it. That's the whole reason, start to finish. There are a multitude of reasons why not getting tangled up in your neighbors is good, but the tree simply has to survive better, and that is all that is required for the behavior to become the new natural norm.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Man, that's some crazy logic. I'll take occams razor and state that wind movement abrades the leaves/limbs on one another.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not crazy logic to describe natural selection.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I'm just saying you're adding too much complexity in this particular phenomenon. Evolution by natural selection is a very robust model that has remarkable predictive power. It only works if you're not assuming too many inputs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And isn't it advantageous to the whole forest if the mature trees are the same height? Doesn't that happen naturally all over the place? Something about equal sunlight, hydraulic pressure, hydration, and... I forget.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's advantageous to be a taller tree than your neighbours, since you get more sun. That turned into an evolutionary arms race to the top, and now we have tall forests.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Correct

Natural selection happens at the genotype level, not the individual level. Having a species that likes to combat with other individuals with, essentially, the exact same genotype, at the expense of both individuals, is often not a winning strategy.

(There are exceptions and caveats of course -- e.g. competition between individuals to select the fittest ones of them to preferentially survive, or Fisher's Principle which explains why the ratio of males to females is roughly 50:50 in most species, even though that's often not optimal for the species as a whole).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Looks like a voronoi noise texture.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

It would be if the trees all were the same age and grew at the same rate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

It kinda is!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

It can probably be mathematically defined as such.

I wonder how much different species affect the parameters.