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C'mon guys this is such an easy win for us as a country. Justin went a little too far with his style of governing for a lot of you and now the liberals have voted this guy to be it's leader and new PM. This is who we want to lead us into the second half of the 20th century, this guy is so fucking smart. Pierre just sings slogans and simple pretty things that sound nice but in reality he's just going to sell us off to American interests and cut the things that help working people.

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[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Carney is essentially a conservative (except for socially) by most metrics.

He handled Trump really well in his first month but there is legitimate risk he has private (as opposed to public) interests at heart.

I guess that's better than the alternative (Poilievre) who will undoubtedly prioritise private interests. At least there's a chance Carney might do some good.

Hoping for a liberal minority government. Canada is very fortunate to have a third party (NDP) to keep their mainstream "progressive" party in check. We've seen how things have gone to shit in the US.

[–] Thepotholeman@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago

Carney is what a conservative BELEIVES they are. Economically sound. Which they have never been for a long long time, and he's perfect for this job in this moment. Pierre Polievere is a fucking moron and whoever actually believes his bullshit is cooked to a crisp and has zero critical thinking skill or a broad understanding of economics

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Carney is essentially a conservative (except for socially) by most metrics.

What metrics have you used to paint Carney in this light?

He handled Trump really well in his first month but there is legitimate risk he has private (as opposed to public) interests at heart.

What information do you have that demonstrates Carney is a legitimate risk to public interests?

I guess that’s better than the alternative (Poilievre) who will undoubtedly prioritise private interests. At least there’s a chance Carney might do some good.

Is the chance Carney does "some good" higher than the "legitimate risk to public interests", and what information are you basing this comparison on?

Hoping for a liberal minority government. Canada is very fortunate to have a third party (NDP) to keep their mainstream “progressive” party in check. We’ve seen how things have gone to shit in the US.

We have seen what happens with a Liberal Minority propped up with the NDP, which is the bare minimum.

Why do you believe it will go better a second time?

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[–] kbal@fedia.io 38 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If you're a fan of the established order of capitalism Carney's your guy for sure, but I don't think it's necessary to invent a conspiracy theory to explain why markets understand that Trump actually going through with it and imposing massive tariffs on all trade with America would be very bad news for the US dollar and Treasuries.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

If you’re a fan of the established order of capitalism Carney’s your guy for sure

Carney is a Keynesian and would probably prefer a 1950s or 60s style capitalism than what we have right now.

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[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

“If you're a fan of the established order of capitalism Carney's your guy for sure…”

I think both Pierre and Carney fit this description.
However one will cheer on the 51st state and one will lead a stable economy

[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 59 points 1 month ago (5 children)

No, it doesn’t. There are two important differences.

PP is a devotee of the cult of the free market, that markets are best and all we need to do is remove restrictions on them. Carney believes markets should serve to people, that the end goal isn’t just naked efficiency but they we need market forces directed to get human-centric outcomes.

This is extensively covered in Carney’s 2021 book “Values” which I encourage everyone to read in order to understand the important differences in these approaches. Carney’s approach is an explicit rejection of the idiotic free market cultism of PP and his ilk.

Another critical difference is in competence. Carney is an experienced leader who was so well-regarded in his field that the UK selected him as the first ever non-local to run the Bank of England. Whereas PP can’t even manage to handle questions from friendly press, let alone lead something.

So no, they are not the same. You might still want to prefer an explicitly socialist approach that rejects markets entirely, which is a legitimate perspective for sure. But aside from the revolution party no one is really advocating that at the federal level.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To add to this, as result of these differences, Carney might be able to extend the shelf life of the established capitalist system. PP on the other hand is going to accelerate its decline towards more inequality, poverty and instability. So from the perspective of preserving the system itself, Carney is the guy.

[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If Carney gets a majority and is unable to substantively turned things around, I’m giving up on capitalism.

I sincerely believe we will never have a better candidate to represent the perspective of directed market economics. As the sportsball chant goes: “If he can’t do it, no one can.”

[–] Thepotholeman@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's not so much capitalism as it is the premiers being literal throns in our countries side when it comes to progress (Alberta and Sask). They will threaten to "leave Canada" because of some bullshit reasoning that changing our economy from a petrol one to a green one will be bad for the economy. Meanwhile it will only generate new growth and stability for everyone who invests in it. Carney KNOWS this

[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The challenge for the prairies is that we need to undo the brain rot that has told the people in those provinces their only future is in servicing American oil extractors.

There is a story for these provinces. The Norwegian or Saudi model of having the oil extraction being state-owned — and then using the profits to enrich the population — has been tremendously successful.

Alberta and Saskatchewan control these rights in their provinces and the centre and left should be screaming this from the hilltops. The oil and minerals are non-renewable and they should focus on getting value to enrich their own populations, not rush to produce at a discount in order to enrich American shareholders.

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[–] kbal@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Mostly agreed but I would say that there's plenty of room in all kinds of ways for a more unconventional approach to economics than what Mr. Carney proposes without going all the way to "reject markets entirely."

[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Perhaps it’s a failure of imagination on my part.

What I see from the NDP for example are extremely poorly considered centre-left policies that don’t go far enough but yet at the same time are ignorant of the economics they want to continue working within.

Take for example their proposal for national rent control. This is a disastrously ignorant policy proposal inside the context of a market economy as it will instruct the markets to halt any future construction of rental units.

Whereas I believe what they need to be doing is either what Carney is proposing, or giving up on the idea of markets entirely and using socialist tools to directly build the homes that the market has failed to build.

But I’ll take your advice to heart and listen if someone comes up with an alternative I’ve not considered.

[–] Thepotholeman@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's how I feel about the NDP aswell. They are basically all talk without any of the economic realities. Carney KNOWS how markets work and how we can harness them to create wealth and prosperity while building a net Zero future, by making it PROFITABLE to do so.

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[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Well put and I second the encouragement to read his book. If nothing else it will help one understand Economics a little better.

[–] Thepotholeman@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In the middle of it now and it's only made me want this guy as our PM even more. But honestly most people today couldn't read a book to save their life

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Agreed on the first point, his book is a very good argument for him to be PM. But I wouldn't say "Couldn't read" to save their life, but unwilling to read that which they don't already assume they will agree with. Which is a problem across the political spectrum unfortunately.

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[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which is separate from saying everyone should agree with it.

I’d love to see a similarly highly-competent socialist economics nerd leading the NDP in our future.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Agreed.

I would just love to see highly-competent people in politics across the board. We need less career politicians, and ideologues, and more experts in their fields running the show.

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