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The Ark (lemmy.world)

submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't see why we have to have these debates. It did not literally, historically happen. Conundrum solved. It's a story that can still have religious, ethical, spiritual meaning. Aesop's Fables didn't literally happen either, they are still meaningful stories.

Even like Maus did not literally happen as written (the holocaust did happen, to be clear, but it happened to humans), the point is a level of abstraction to get at deeper truths.

Some people think everything literally happened but some people think they are literally married to Severus Snape. Nobody's getting through to those people, least of all with a Lemmy comment or a cartoon. Don't worry about them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because the Mythicism debate is important to have.

Scenario 1: there was a street preacher illiterate magician who operated for about six months and one day got an idea to attack Rome and Rome didn't care for that. The result was the world's first and second biggest religion.

Scenario 2: Paul took the James con and spent about 40 years working on it. Improving it. Make sure it brought in the crowds. The result was very interesting stories that involved the whole family in an experience and it was that that ended up taking over the world.

Frankly the first scenario is pretty scary. That crazy guy with the cardboard sign saying the end is near? All it takes is him to get shot by the cops and civilization will be in ruins 300 years later. I am much more inclined to believe that the entire practice of baptism, communion, singing together, waiting for Holy Spirit to speak through you, demon casting out and the plot skeleton of Mark came from a determined guy who ruthlessly not only stole from the best but was willing to be a workaholic with his material.

So yeah it does matter. All humans on earth are shaped by these events. If we are such that a person with no original ideas can still win we are in a lot more danger than if we lost to a person who had a new idea every Sunday.

Even if the biblical Jesus was a real guy who said literally everything ascribed to him he would have still been hundreds of years behind the thinking of the Empire.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There are 100000 of these happening every year. Every kind of outlet is working on squeezing the fuck out of events like that. You can drop a pin on the ground and the news will try to make the world out of it. Constantly trying to jumpstart some bullshit.

Jesus and "his followers" are more akin to an early psychedelic/hippie movement with all the ideas that came with it. They were in a way the pioneers of society, the one that eventually brought an order of higher level equality.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They were in a way the pioneers of society, the one that eventually brought an order of higher level equality.

No. They criminalized non-christianity and supported slavery. In terms of ideas they had nothing new.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Who were "they"?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Christians

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

I kinda hate these types of comics. There really isn't any reason why this should be a comic other than the writer's medium of choice. The message gains nothing from the visual aspect. The comic could really have been improved if the author showed what the characters are talking about, but we just get a wall of text with a crudely drawn woman to represent the opposition. Also, the art has no appeal and is generally ugly.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The ark story doesn't necessarily mean that all of sea level rise was result of rainfall.

Domino collapse of glaciers have been known to raise sea levels extremely quickly.

There was even a theory by a palentologist (which I cant currently find) of an ice dam left over from an ice age which separated two major parts of the ocean, which had different sea levels. When the ice dam eventually collapsed, the oceans would have reached equilibrium in a matter of days. Given the chaotic history of plate tectonics and ice ages, this isnt an unreasonable theory. Imagine if the mouth of the Mediterranean was frozen over, and the body evaporated down to lower levels, and people settled there. Then the ice wall collapsed.

Im not saying any of this explains a ridiculous bible story, just that, as a scientist, its short-sighted to assume rainfall was the only possible contributor to the flood.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"The world" back then also was something like a town and its surrounding villages. It probably just rained really heavy for a few days, flooded some village in a way that never happened before and the only explanation was "God's wrath".

I believe most of religious stories can be explained by people talking shit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There was a flood after the meditteran salinity crysis, which happened partly due to lowered pressure in the nord causing the ground in the south to recede after the ice was gone (think of pressing in a balloon). There was a theory that the black sea flood (was half as big prior) due to this was what we know as the great flood, with humanity living mostly around there at the time, but i think it was refuted, because the flooding happened over generations there.

The thing with glacier seas happened mostly in scandinavia, gb, up there, creating the english channel (the heck? German it is Ärmelkanal).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Mediterranean Salinity Crysis, new Greek prog rock band name

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

There's another, funner, theory, whereby a feedback loop in tectonic movement makes the plate boundaries heat up and the plates move ever faster (for a while till it calms down again). The ocean floor thereby becomes hot and more buoyant on the mantle beneath - so ocean floor rises and continents sink.

That theory is backed up by some proper plate simulation by a respected scientist, but as far as I know it was never developed past the initial simulation work and intriguing result.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What's an allegory?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Ask the bible belt Christians that.

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