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watch her stupid ass cry “i said UNFORTUNATELY” when people give her shit for this like that makes it better
also “60,000”. genocide denial. nobody actually believe israel has only killed 60,000 of these people
I'm old enough to remember when her main schtick was deliberately offending trans people with hot takes. I see she's moved onto 'tankies' now 🤷
honestly shitting on trans people and 'tankies' are her greatest hits, she always plays them again
Unfortunately given that trans people are essentially forced by their own social interests into tankiedom that just means she is annoying more people.
Why do these idiots say things like this? Like its supposed to make em look like a wise sage. And its always done callously with non whites 
I'm sure by her standards 9/11 is small fries but she and her lib audience won't be callous towards that will they?
Enough with the fucking algorithm engaging hot takes. They're always brain dead nonsense
yeah i think people like this think they look wise. it gives edgy contrarian middle school vibes. "yeah... all those people were killed.. but did you know... lots of people get killed or die?? 
"
Can't wait for her "why I left the left" video.
Libs getting shocked that someone spending a disproportionate amount of time on the left while the right is tearing your country's asshole apart leaves the left 
She's basically already done it with envy. She was a fascist before transition, now she's a deeply annoying left liberal of the sort I thought died out in 2007.
Which is an improvement but not enough. I think she was genuinely shocked that her attempted anti left satire with Abby the anarchist catgirl backfired because Abby was obviously correct and her mediation was obviously liberal equivocation
Abby is more sympathetic, but at least her depiction in the video about voting made her and Natalie look extremely stupid because it created a false dichotomy between "vote dem" and "don't vote for anyone out of protest bc revolution i guess?" with no notion of starting an independent electoral movement to compliment whatever sort of revolutionary movement you're interested in pursuing.
Time to repost my genocide trivialization explainer
Genocide trivialization is a common refrain of fascist discourse, the point of course is to normalize mass slaughter and paint it as an unavoidable feature of human society, while erasing the sociopolitical uniqueness of every genocide....."it happens all the time its not a big deal, and if it happens again big whoop survival of the fittest"
The a-historical insistence that EVERY "civilization" has committed genocide is another tactic of fascist rhetoric. That attempts to obscure the fact that it's actaully STATES with a specific class character and political project that committ genocide, while merging the idea of states and civilization as being coterminous with each other and that they can't be distinguished...... "we're all guilty thru out time and space so it would be hypocritical and traitorious to oppose genocide committed by one's own civilization"
That form of rhetoric also tries to simultaneously collapse the concept of continuity.... "it happened so long ago get over it" while also incoherently extending historical continuity past its breaking point..... "oh so you condemn the genocide of native Americans, well what about the genocide carried out by the Mongols hmmm"
Basically fascists are ghouls and historically illiterate freaks
So much vindication for the 'Never liked Contrapoints Gang'
Are there better people to tear down at the moment. I dunno, I don't agree with her politics and viscerally feel the innate violence of liberalism but also listen to her streams when I need to know I'm not alone in being trans, depressed and an addict.
There is also an ongoing trans genocide no one talks about enough, it's easier to ignore, and genocide of disabled people, both happening within our local communities.
Reading the hate towards her feels kind of gross, like a real easy scapegoat for anger n frustration at liberals
I imagine it's pretty easy to self harm on twitter in this way, familiar you know
Is the mention of trans genocide meant to imply that as a result trans people are currently beyond criticism? Even when they themselves are downplaying or borderline denying a different genocide?
Clearly not.
Then I'm confused as to what the reason was for bringing it up
It makes you a bit crazy and self destructive
Countless trans people facing unimaginably greater levels of persecution and with far less privilege than Natalie somehow manage not to deny the Palestinian genocide
I don't think she denied genocide but putting that aside entirely. I'm not comfortable embracing a community dunking on a trans woman who's been the target of insane trans misogynistic bullshit from all directions for many years. Putting her aside entirely, I'm not comfortable knowing that there are less outspoken people lurking here who get to see how they'd be treated if they put a foot wrong. More importantly seeing how unsafe it is to ask questions. People off themselves all the time over this stupid self masturbatory witch hunting bullshit.
you're allowed to criticize and laugh at terrible shit people say regardless of what their identity is. anger towards her isn't a scapegoat for frustration at liberals. she is a liberal and she's the liberal people are angry about, because shit like this tweet is how liberals (herself) think and how they smugly act like we should all be thinking.
do you know how you don't get criticized for saying dumb shit to your massive following on twitter? don't say it. she's been a public figure for years. she is always saying shit like this or other horrible shit that people criticize her for. a lot of that horrible shit by the way has been about other trans people lmao. so i mean, i just don't see where you're coming from to be honest.
As a disabled trans person I find this comparison rather disgusting:
There is also an ongoing trans genocide no one talks about enough, it’s easier to ignore, and genocide of disabled people, both happening within our local communities.
The systemic oppression we face is real, horrible, and is an incalculable injustice that needs to be fought at all costs. But it is categorically not the same as the wholesale literal slaughter of tens of thousands of Palestinian children. Don't tell me you can look at the images coming out of Gaza of countless mangled bodies in the bombed-out rubble of their homes and hospitals and say "yeah, but I'm being genocided like that too." This is a category error and I find it more than "kind of gross."
What's more is that it doesn't matter which injustice is "worse." Giving one attention does not mean we should be silent on the other. That's not how the fight against injustice works. It's competition-brained bullshit at best. Everyone here agrees with the fact that transphobia is a deep social evil that we all have to struggle against, but using it as leverage to say we should talk less about the downplaying and denial of the genocide in Gaza, that is reprehensible. Both of these injustices can be (and often are) talked about and struggled against simultaneously without detracting from the other. By calling out Wynn's scummy liberal, bordering on genocide-denying rhetoric, and expressing our disgust with a person who would use their large platform to spew that rhetoric, we are not in any way detracting from the fight against transphobia or ableism. On the other hand, when someone comes along and says we shouldn't be loudly calling out that kind of behavior, that really is a kind of detraction from that struggle.
I don’t agree with her politics and viscerally feel the innate violence of liberalism but also listen to her streams when I need to know I’m not alone in being trans, depressed and an addict.
If you have a parasocial attachment to a problematic personality and find them somehow comforting, fine. I'm sure many here can relate simply because we live in a world dominated by liberalism. But don't tell others they shouldn't be vocally critical of those things you yourself say you recognize are bad. Personally, I wouldn't want to keep listening to someone who uses aspects I share (trans, depressed, addiction) as they're pushing a liberal agenda, what you yourself described as the innate violence of liberalism. It's not a crime to have low standards, but to defend the indefensible or tell others to be quiet about it, that's going beyond just having a problematic fav.
Are there better people to tear down at the moment.
Don't do that. Don't do the "worse things exist so don't talk about this one bad thing that I say is lesser." Whether or not you realize you're doing it, that is an actual known tactic to throw a wrench in organizing efforts and derail leftist groups. It comes back to that same false binary I was talking about above. Yes there are and always will be "better people to tear down" that is, "worse people" like those in power who are the ones actively waging the genocide. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be rightly criticizing other ghouls and vultures engaging in genocide denialist rhetoric which is what Wynn is doing.
Reading the hate towards her feels kind of gross, like a real easy scapegoat for anger n frustration at liberals
She is not a scapegoat. She is a millionaire with a substantial following and platform she is using to push fascist-adjacent talking points. This shit needs to be loudly criticized and called what it is. If she doesn't want that criticism, she can just not say that shit. She is not a leftist, she is a liberal Clintonesque centrist. She deserves every bit of ire she gets from the left, the same as any right wing pundit.
basically took the words out of my mouth and left me with nothing to say
I'll reply to this when if I have space tomorrow but I don't appreciate the genocide of me and my communities being denied because it's not the same as the graphic vids you watch. We're being gaslit about this shit constantly from most people. Do better and read about genocide if that's something you're genuinely interested in.
I don’t appreciate the genocide of me and my communities being denied
I don't appreciate the struggle of me and my communities (trans and disabled, just like you claim to be!) being used as a wedge in a despicable attempt to steer the conversation away from Wynn's genocide denial. It's hilarious that you're accusing us of genocide denial because we're telling you... not to defend genocide denial. That's some sick and twisted logic.
Then why are you trying to deny or trivialize the genocide of Palestinians? A genocide that itself includes the slaughter of trans people and disabled people? I notice you didn't respond to what @[email protected] said because it completely undermined your attempt to use trans and disabled people to deflect and defend a genocide denier.
because it’s not the same as the graphic vids you watch
I don't watch "graphic vids" but I do inform myself of what's actually happening in the world rather than deny the reality or pretend my own plight is the only one that should matter, like you are doing. Also shame on you for your transparent attempt to make it sound like having knowledge of the brutal carnage that Palestinians are subjected to is just a lurid desire for shock value.
Do better and read about genocide if that’s something you’re genuinely interested in.
Do better and read more about western chauvinism, intersectionality, and even trans liberation outside the imperial core and your highly privileged position there. Relieve yourself of your petty chauvinist ignorance. I can already tell I've read more about genocide than the sum of your entire reading of leftist theory. My god, talk about larpers.
The genocide we face is silent,
Oh fuck OFF. You are talking to largely trans and majority queer people here and telling them to stop talking about the genocide of Palestinians, to stop criticizing a fascist-flirting liberal who is saying the genocide is really nbd guys! You're telling a trans community they're "scapegoating" someone who is using her platform to push fascist, Zionist talking points. Grotesque hypocrite. You: "The genocide we face is silent, so stop talking about genocide denial and stay silent."
I’m not comparing it to kids being physically maimed by bombs and saying “but we have it bad too”,
That's exactly what you did and are doing. In fact you did worse, you tried to tell us we shouldn't even be talking about Wynn's hand-waving away of children murdered by the tens of thousands because "I have it bad too!"
I’m saying that it literally meets the criteria in many similar ways.
What you and I both experience as trans and disabled people in the west is not anywhere near the magnitude of what the people of Gaza are experiencing, including the trans and disabled people being murdered there as a part of that genocide, which Wynn, and now you, are trivializing and trying to shift the conversation away from.
I’ve watched the far left neglect caring for their own communities while LARPING at protests for almost two decades now.
What does that have to do with criticizing a genocide denier? The fact that there hasn't been a far left movement in the west for decades has nothing to do with the fact that we need to call out genocide denial and ridicule the people who use their platform to do it. Oh, I see... you're trying to say that people who protest US imperialism and the mass murder it commits all over the world are just larpers who are "neglecting their own communities." Bull fucking shit. The people most active in opposing imperialism are invariably also the ones most likely to be there doing the real work to help the oppressed and marginalized around them. Once again, you're trying to weasel in this idea that it's not possible to do both, that they are even in conflict, when the truth is the exact fucking opposite: these two things, opposition to genocide abroad and resistance to oppression at home, can't be separated and working towards one will always be a benefit to other as well. If one is a principled leftist (which you very clearly are not) they oppose oppression in all forms, and they certainly don't do what you're doing by trying to separate and silence. This tactic of trying to divide intersectional issues, exactly what you're trying and failing to do here, is a well known tactic the rightwing deliberately uses to undermine the left. And I have a strong suspicion that is what is actually happening here as well.
It’s death by a thousand cuts and the worst are from people who are performative radicals.
Yes. And anyone with eyes can see that the performative radical here is you.
Your comment is pretty shitty tbh, you remind me of myself when I existed in a bubble of radical leftism online around 2010.
I've been an activist since the 90s. And everything you've said is very revealing that you don't know shit about what you're talking about, kid. As for how "shitty" my comment was, I'll let the upvote ratio speak for itself here, lol. I'm glad to see that your bullshit is apparent to everyone reading.
Dude you read like you've been bitching at people on the internet since the 90's. Calm down or direct your energy at fascists.
It took you 24 hours to come up with that? Also directing energy at scratched libs is directing energy at fascists lol
Ok beanis
As another trans person disgusted by this blatant attempt to use our identity to excuse or deflect from genocide denial, you put it all into words far better than I could have. Thank you comrade. The implication that people aware of the true scale and horror of this genocide are simply exposing themselves to violent content for some kind of sick pleasure is especially disgusting, thank you for calling it out.
The genocide we face is silent, I'm not comparing it to kids being physically maimed by bombs and saying "but we have it bad too", I'm saying that it literally meets the criteria in many similar ways. I've watched the far left neglect caring for their own communities while LARPING at protests for almost two decades now. It's death by a thousand cuts and the worst are from people who are performative radicals.
Your comment is pretty shitty tbh, you remind me of myself when I existed in a bubble of radical leftism online around 2010.
the worst are from people who are performative radicals.
"Are there better people to tear down at the moment."
Don't tell me you can look at the images coming out of Gaza of countless mangled bodies in the bombed-out rubble of their homes and hospitals and say "yeah, but I'm being genocided like that too." This is a category error and I find it more than "kind of gross."
In addition, it ignores all the trans Palestinians being killed in Gaza. Or the anti-trans, anti-LGBTQ+ cisheteronormativity carried out within Israel. There's a thread over in Judaism going over conversion "therapy" within the genocidal colonialist project right now.
Framing this as trans people vs. Palestinians is an incredibly chauvinist view incompatible with intersectionality.
You are absolutely right and I should have said that too. Thank you for pointing it out.
One thing to learn about browsing this site is that they will air out all your problematic faves, and you gotta just let it roll off your back and join in the next day when it's somebody else's problematic faves getting roasted for being a liberal.
We don't sell have to consume things that are perfectly ideologically aligned with us, some people here watch a fair amount of John Oliver for example, or maybe they follow AOC on Twitter and don't seethe with rage at her posts IDK.
Respectfully, all three should be 'aired out' constantly, since they are the backbone of socdem imperialist media, if not the sign of the complete ideological capture of the socdems.
In that respect they are not 'problematic favs', they are a sign of theoretical and media illiteracy for any leftist that likes them because they are making content that is primarily about confusing and obscuring your point of view to the masses. 'Problematic favs' are for people with genuine expertise and insight into areas of knowledge that you are not familiar with, despite holding right-wing or liberal political opinions. None of the people you have mentioned have anything even resembling that, unless you are just horny for them, which hey, fair.
she is a rich settler of the artisan class with petit-bourgeois aspirations, of course her politics are terrible
settler? in the way all whites in america are, or did she move to some other country?
not just whites and not just am*rica but yes