This is useful shorthand but is too oversimplified to believe in full
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I don't think people will stop spamming lazy AI art if capitalism goes away.
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Eh, I don't really buy it. You've still got an issue of plagiarism (notably not the same thing as copyright), soulless slop flooding creative spaces, the fact that LLMs just kinda lie all the time and then there's the abuse enabled by image models, icky stuff and it's absolutely not driven by capitalism.
Neural networks have a place in many fields, but when it comes to replacing human creativity, I'm not sold. I've certainly got no respect for anyone claiming to be an artist because they ran a program and stole the hardwork of potentially thousands of people. You can take away the profit motive, but you can't take out the social motives. People are dicks and capitalism isn't why they are, it's a symptom and a tool.
Maybe there's some use cases for that kind of thing, but I personally don't see it and think we'd be just fine leaving that sort of thing out of daily life. I don't see what we get beyond like making shitty graphics quickly or something, is that worth the harm?
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db0 woke up today and chose violence again.
I keep screaming it and all the fucking liberals come out of the woodwork to shit on AI- they can virtue signal all they want but I survived on selling my art for years and me and all the other artists I know can't say it loud enough:
If you aren't paying for art now then why the fuck are you mad about AI "stealing jobs"? And if you don't make art for a living I promise you, no one is mad at not having to draw somebody's Sonic OC or latex fetish to live! Uncouple the need to sell art to live and people don't stop making art, they make more of what they want to make!!
AI gives the power to make things to people who can't. It doesn't take away my ability at all. Stop the capitalist system that enslaves artists, and we will make more, and better!
If you aren’t paying for art now then why the fuck are you mad about AI “stealing jobs”? And if you don’t make art for a living I promise you, no one is mad at not having to draw somebody’s Sonic OC or latex fetish to live! Uncouple the need to sell art to live and people don’t stop making art, they make more of what they want to make!!
I kinda wanna make a few spaces I help manage have a rule for April Fools day:
If you did not personally create the image, or pay for someone to create it from scratch, you are forbidden from sharing and viewing it. It is in violation of the copyright of the owner, and they did not give consent to the use of their Intellectual Property to be used and displayed in this manner. Copyright is automatically assumed to the creator, and unless consent was given to the exact person with demands, it is null and void unless stated.
99.99% of all media online weren't given consent to be shared or modified by the owners of the media. Everyone will say it's stupid for a company to try to expand its reach to the millions of faceless users. Yet will simp for them the moment they are briefly against AI. They will vouch for extensions to copyright, and say companies should purposefully creep their money and influence on the internet, because a bad AI model did something weird 5 years ago.
The AI haters here are just flat out hypocrites, I mean why are you on this instance? Be honest, it was probably for [email protected], the largest community here (and one of the largest on Lemmy), maybe you didn't and in that case maybe you just don't understand the main mission of dbzer0 and the fact that copyright isn't something we care about, but for those who do it is hypocritical if not downright asinine to support and participate in piracy but also say that "It's important to respect intellectual property" when people discuss AI projects and training of AIs. I mean if you pirate movies or games you certainly aren't respecting copyrights yourself. Maybe you think it's different but those companies feel just as offended, and it's evident from their sleazy efforts to fight against piracy.
There are so many arguments that can be made against AI and might even apply in certain situations (Corporate monster AIs like OpenAI) but this one is just fucking stupid, and you all make yourselves sound like trolls when you come here whining about the importance of copyright and intellectual property.
thats certainly not my argument agsinst it. there are a lot of arguments against Grnerative AI that have nothimg to do with copyrigth especcially on the left.
Like the envoiremental inpact, the amoint of energy and water wasted for large datacenters. how rich ceos see it as a way to cut down cost and replace workers (which doesnt even work but they dont care), The amount of exploitation that goes on in the global south where people are being exploited by comoanies that work for ai companies where they have to sit through ours of generatet content of gore and child porn to work on filtering said content out, whithout any psychological care aswell as abismal money they get for it.
the deals AI companies have woth fossilfuel companies. etc. there also some arguments on AI art nlt being actual art and how just content scraping indie and also big artist do a computer can turn out an pretty mediocre average artstyle because you (strawman you not actual you) are to lazy actually learning and apreciating an art style of an artist whos style you may like.
And also lastly the closed source nature of AI we currently have
Also there are different degrees of piracy when it comes to big corps and indi creators but thats another subject
So basically all things that, pretty much exclusively do not apply to the open source, self-hosted, and decentralized AI promoted and used by this community of anarchists and tech enthusiasts? And you wonder why people here think you are trolls? Like, everything you described here is a problem with capitalism and the capitalistic system, you realize that your arguments are just proving what @[email protected] is saying?
I think there is a misunderstanding. To clear things up, I was not talking about lemmy.dbzer0.com and I wasent talking about selfhosted AI models. Also yes The main Problems with AI are due to capitslism. Which applies to how we use and implement technology in general. for example the internet. Not shure to what group you are putting me into but I hope I can provide some context. I am an anarchist.
now onto what I was arguing about I was replying to your comment because, missing the context of this comunity and how it uses AI, I thougth you where definding the technology by arguing that the main point of criticism that people have is the Copyrigth aspect of it. Which is not true.
Now again I was talking about things like chatgpt Claude gemini etc. Not someome selfhosting their own AI model in their own homeserver.
And well specificly AI bros going aroumd generating AI images and calling it art etc.
Which im not saying you are or this comunity is.
So it seems like from what you're saying that you aren't one of the people me or db0 are talking about. Me and db0 are specifically talking about the hypocritical people who come here and complain that we use Horde generative AI and use all the talking points against OpenAI and Google, against Horde and even db0.