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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this...)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

previous stubsack guest star Cursor rejoins the show, using a shitty liarsynth to automatically tell users broken behaviour is expected (cw: orange site), followed by people mass-killing their subscriptions

Earlier today Cursor, the magical AI-powered IDE started kicking users off when they logged in from multiple machines. Like,you’d be working on your desktop, switch to your laptop, and all of a sudden you're forcibly logged out. No warning, no notification, just gone.

Naturally, people thought this was a new policy.

So they asked support.

And here’s where it gets batshit: Cursor has a support email, so users emailed them to find out. The support peson told everyone this was “expected behavior” under their new login policy

One problem. There was no support team, it was an AI designed to 'mimic human responses'

haven’t gotten into the replies to look for sneers yet but I bet there will be some

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Finally a use case for "AI": defrauding community colleges.

sigh

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

New piece from Tante: These are not the same, arguing that the infrastrucure left after AI bubble's burst will leave infrastructure which will be actively damaging to a democratic society.

Its not the first piece I've seen about the bubble's potential aftermath (that goes to MAIHT3K), but it does give another perspective on it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I can see tante's point. Besides AI datacenters being used for surveillance tech, I can also see LLM tech itself used nefariously post-bubble. Maybe maintaining an up-to-date LLM as a product is not viable, but a custom-trained model to snipe public online discourse around a crucial election could remain affordable for a wealthy fascist.

On the bright side, I am hoping for a brief period of powerful yet affordable gaming PCs thanks to retrofitted, slightly singed Blackwells.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean, what has crypto left over? All of that is only useful for sanctions busting and money laundering

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

LessWronger puts in the work and determines that LLMs can't spacially vizualize for shit, comments are like "well you're prompting it wrong" (paraphrased) as well as "why not pay experiences machinists to videotape what they're doing os their work can be automated"

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/r3NeiHAEWyToers4F/frontier-ai-models-still-fail-at-basic-physical-tasks-a#comments

The article itself is worth reading for some insights in the challenges of using current "AI" (LLMs) to work in the real world.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

“why not pay experiences machinists to videotape what they’re doing os their work can be automated”

none of these people had a job in manufacturing, or even possibly any real job, it's called CNC and there are way better tools for making it work than stochastic parrot

e: ok at least op is a machinist

Interestingly, many of these models also score at or above the level of some human experts on visual reasoning benchmarks like MMMU. That which is easy to measure often doesn't correlate with real world usefulness.

benchmarks could be perhaps possibly fucked with? say it aint so!

My high level impression when reading the response is “someone who can parrot textbook knowledge but doesn’t know what they’re talking about”.

with corpus consisting of toy problems only, and with solutions that depending on field can kill whoever uses these

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (6 children)

The fact this commenter doesn't mention the absolute fuckton of machining videos on Youtube tells me they're just talking out of their ass.

(not that forcing those into LLM slop would help but a hypothetical AGI would learn a lot)

Also

Dario Amodei, CEO of Anthropic, recently worried about a world where only 30% of jobs become automated, leading to class tensions between the automated and non-automated. Instead, he predicts that nearly all jobs will be automated simultaneously, putting everyone "in the same boat."

Dario is delusional. We don't even have self driving cars outside of a very small, very expensive demo in SF

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Clearly self-driving teslas just need to mill their path through pedestrians

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I feel like there was time when nerds who hung out on blogs didn't automatically believe everything a CEO said.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

take us back!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I've got to acknowledge the sheer guts it takes to look at arguably the most predictable consequence of the cyberpunk dystopia you're building and say "nah that won't happen because reasons."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@gerikson I'd like to see him automating bed-turning a frail 90 year old in a nursing home so she doesn't get bed sores (ulcers—open wounds from lying on a creased sheet or just in the same position for too long). A 90yo with cognitive impairment who's scared of robots.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@cstross @gerikson This doesn't sound promising: "A growing body of evidence is finding that robots tend to end up creating more work for caregivers"

https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/01/09/1065135/japan-automating-eldercare-robots/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

In each case, existing social and communication-­oriented tasks tended to be displaced by new tasks that involved more interaction with the robots than with the residents. Instead of saving time for staff to do more of the human labor of social and emotional care, the robots actually reduced the scope for such work.

That's legitimately chilling. I guess just like quality of art and writing is too hard to quantify against "efficiency" and "productivity" so is quality of care. The slow AIs are literally optimizing humans out of the economy before our eyes and the people who were most afraid of being turned into paperclips are the ones leading the goddamn charge.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

amazement at chatbots comes from demographic that did not binge watch how it's made in middle school

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (6 children)

don't want to spam the stubsack with US politics but guys I am awfully scared

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It really looks like it's on an awful trajectory.

In my teens I read about how Leo Szilard took a train out of Germany the day after the Nazis took power. Passed the border before border checks had time to come into force. Seemed obvious then, now I am all to aware of the problems of such a "simple" plan and the ties that binds you, not least family. And of course not knowing in advance how bad it will be, until after. And not knowing if you jump from the ashes and land in the fire, lots of countries are on the same trajectory but further back. Fascism is yet again the choice, the owners choice in the face of climate change.

I'm rambling and it's late. Sympathies and solidarity.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Even with a lot of resources and options and money, and not a lot to tie me down, I have been working to move out of the US since January and it'll take me at least two more months before I actually manage it (longer if my first attempt falls through). It is a lot. Lots of work, lots of waiting, and lots of fretting along the lines of "oh my gosh what am I even doing", lots of trying to figure out where I fit in the world after I've rejected my homeland in my heart.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it is fucking scary. My sympathies and solidarity. Small thing, perhaps a good reminder for everybody to check their opsec (esp if you are an administrator of things, check which data you do not need, or should not fall into the current (or future) us/other fascist administrations hands. And remember while spying on Americans by the various orgs is illegal, trading for information on them with other countries is not. Don't forget backups). It is horrible that it has come to this. One small point of light is that they are fools and can't shut up or be subtle. At least that has a chance to motivate more people to do something, which if it gets to the worst (and it is getting close) more people will actually resist (sadly a lot of people will have to realize that the point becomes not to win, but to impose costs/friction, and any wins are a bonus, which is a horrible realization in itself). Really hope this doesn't make things worse mentally btw.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I can only offer my solidarity and sympathies. If I were still living in the US, I’d probably have started taking firearms training and bought some by now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I hear you! If like me you have ever worried that you are overreacting; know that you are not. I have no idea how so many of my coworkers can just treat this all as politics as usual.

My heart breaks for the civilians rounded up and treated as terrorists without due process.

Being transgender I am acutely aware of how close I am to the top of the US autocracy's public enemy list. This is self serving but since January I've been working on getting while the getting is good.

Me and my three siblings (a librarian, a researcher, and a med student) are all worried for our futures for different reasons; which is statistically just kind of impressive!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Solidarity from TN

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Noted sex pest Andrew Cuomo wants to run for Mayor in New York, and he might actually have a chance given the incumbent Democratic candidate is corruption magnet Eric Adams. Housing is a big issue in New York, so what's Cuomo's plan? Well, his plan is to use chat gpt to write his plan.

Angry New York Democrats were using the slogan DREAM meaning Don't Rank Eric Adams for Mayor. It's was then amended to Don't Rank Eric or Andrew for Mayor, and amended again to Don't Rank Evil Andrew for Mayor.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Update: another acronym.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

eric adams should change his platform to “I’m not cuomo”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I dunno, how's the "I'm not Donald Trump" platform been working out so far?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Well. I don’t want adams to win

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

COMMERCIAL NOTICE: Pivot to AI now has T-shirts! yeah, I sorted out Redbubble. Also does mugs and stuff. All proceeds go to a worthy cause, i.e. me.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

ZITRON DROPPED

New piece from Ed Zitron - a 44-minute read about OpenAI's threat to the entire tech industry

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

If OpenAI’s funding round with Softbank goes as planned, it’ll raise the equivalent of the entire GDP of Estonia — a fairly wealthy country itself, and one that’s also a member of Nato and the European Union. That alone should give you a sense of the truly insane scale of this.

so not only saltman is capable of burning enough power to be comparable to middle-sized euro country, he can also burn small euro country gdp

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I was reminded of Risky Business and how some of the cybersecurity is sometimes relevant to this sub, which reminded me they talked about this Cryptocurrency people being actually rubber hosed

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Infamous Dr Who "big name fan" Ian Levine is using generative AI to recreate lost episodes of the show. This got some mainstream press coverage and fans seem miffed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

christ. can't he go back to disco, he was good at that

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I think Ian Levine loves Doctor Who more than he loves disco. That's the only explanation for Doctor In Distress.

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