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"This is why we don't need #US #cars in #Europe"

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Modern day trolley problem. Do you ram the Dodge Ram?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Dodge the ram or ram the Dodge.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Imagine thinking tariffs are why these warships don't sell in Europe.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Their road tax should be based on engine/volume/passenger capacity.

If you need it for work get a commercial.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm genuinely not aware of a single country that takes vehicle volume into road tax calculations, but that sounds like a damn great idea

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Im a bit of a genius. But seriously I think it is the common sense move.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

A transit or sprinter makes much more sense for commercial use in the vast majority of professions as the cargo space to vehicle ratio is much higher and you can lock the whole thing up.

The only profession so far I've seen where they make some kind of sense is for landscapers, and even that's debatable considering you can get sprinters with an open bed that is much larger then what's on these pickups.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not to forget that many vans have an okay towing capacity, so you can just use a trailer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Your not towing anything with the smaller transits. And they suck in winter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Your not towing anything with the smaller transits.

Even the smaller vans can tow 1.5t. I'll concede it's a lot less then a pickup can tow but this is not "nothing" and plenty practical for lots of use cases you'd have in any city.

And they suck in winter.

This is the Netherlands, not the Yukon. We don't have 5 foot deep snow on the roads in the Winter. In fact it's been years since we had any kind of snow at all. We just have a mild chill and mostly just rain.

The off-road/awd capability's of any vehicle are almost entirely irrelevant in the Netherlands for the overwhelming majority of people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Man Ive pulled literal tons of cable for 100s of KMs with those, the NV400, the traffic and vivaro. Winter times down to the back of the beyonds. Mind you our winters are wet not the coldest.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Then get one of the bigger Sprinters. They're also available as 4x4.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

The original post was on reddit, a few years ago.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's not even a big one by US standards.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Serious question: are you joking? We have a Doge Ram in my area and it's massive and it sends a lot of small pp vibes and now you are telling me, it isn't even that big.

At least I have the true freedom: no speed limit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

This looks like Ram 1500 to me, there's also the 2500 and 3500. I don't know how much bigger they are in terms of size or percentage but they do differentiate mainly with things like payload capacity, so it follows they fill the caps between this and a full size transport truck.

But i'm pretty sure you can't have those on a normal drivers license in the NL as their weight + payload capacity exceeds 3500 kilo's.

Edit: If you really want to see an Avengers level joke, search for "Ford F-650 pickup" with your search engine of choice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Also, for added clarity the 2500 and 3500 models are essentially identical size-wise. Just have more springs.

I'd say they're about 1-2 feet longer (not counting the 3 bed length options), and a fair amount wider than the 1500.

The 1500 has a towing capacity of approximately 12k lbs. Goes up for each of the upper models.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yup, EU is the weight limit 3.5t for a B driving license (regular car) but a C1 (up to 7.5t) or C (semi truck) is possible to make. A coworker has a truck license. He bought an old fire truck and made a camper out of it for his 2 kids and his wife.

But this is just comically large. I do understand it for the US in more rural areas but Europe? They don't fit in parking spots and are just wasteful. 12.8L/100km?! And then they go shopping at Lidl. And people complain about SUVs but compared to US trucks, an SUV is a small car. I really hope that US trucks don't get more common here.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why would you even do that? Give that asshole a fat ticket for doing something like that

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Trust me, if I were in charge of tramway clearance management, I would sound an annoying alarm at the vehicle, before having it be towed. Trying to tell the owner that they have until the tow truck arrives to remove the truck.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Too bad the tram havent hit his car

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

This was taken BEFORE tram went to ramming speed.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And the orange man doesn't understand why Europeans don't want to buy American cars. :\

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

hey. we zijn allemaal Van Oranje!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Great car for the first few weeks of a zombie apocalypse.

Not great for any other situation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How would you navigate that through streets full of abandoned vehicles and debris? A bicycle is quiet, faster than a human or zombie, easy to service, easy to navigate and even carry where it can't go, and don't require fuel. If you want something faster and fuel driven, a motorcycle would be better than any car.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh I wouldn't. The Dodge Ram would most likely serve as an excellent vehicle for transporting stuff. I'd do it as in project zomboid - drive the car to the border of the city, loot, bring loot back to the car, rinse and repeat until the car is full, then it goes back to base.

On top of that, the dodge ram has significantly more horsepower and can waltz through small and medium-sized zombie hordes without slowing down too much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I see you've thought about this.

I've just seen one too many winters with icy roads and cars being stuck and (temporarily) abandoned making roads between towns unusable for a while.

I imagine that but worse with everyone fleeing the city and getting turned, being unprepared for a journey, running out of gas all over the place - not just cities. Maybe they can go off-road and get around a perpendicularly abandoned vehicle or two but eventually there will be an obstacle no truck can bridge.

So for me, I think two wheels for mobility. But that would also depend on what kind of zombie and what kind of apocalypse. Are they fast or slow; do they hunt by ear, sight, smell; is it almost instantaneous or after a year-long pandemic, do they travel in pack or avoid each other, how do they perish, etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

Haven't really thought about it, it's more a "I played 600 hours of project zomboid" lmao.

But ye, depends on a lot of factors - if we assume slow moving zombies that tend to be at the same locations, a large car like a dodge ram would be awesome ngl.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

*days or even hours, until you run out of gas.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Well, if I had such a car, I'd probably make it my mission to take over a petrol station or something similar so I have a steady supply for now.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago

There is something poetic about this image and how the USA "fits" in with the rest of the world.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

That team's going to have to pick up some speed if it wants to get through.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Hell yeah brother

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Canadian here - they’re useless here too. Saw a guy the other day who couldn’t even put some 2x4s in his box because it was to short due to having full size back seats. He had them poking through the window into the cab 😂

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

With the rear seats dropped my MK5 GTI has almost as much cargo space as some of those bloated cries for help.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

the actual bed size is smaller than the old 90s ford rangers', iirc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I bet it was a half-ton sporty short-box.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I saw a truck today, and I thought, if it were 1995 and you showed my mechanic old timer uncle that truck, he'd call you a yuppie

Big, beefy, and engineered to be loud this truck was, I don't think you could fit a 2x4 in the bed

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