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[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I've read through this whole thread, and I still haven't really come to any solid conclusions on it. I'm skeptical of crypto as a kind of idiotic speculative market, but that's also every market ever. But then, the blockchain is apparently different from crypto, even though they're both hype-laden marketing terms that have been completely fucked up. I think doing [redacted] with crypto is still potentially cool, though I think it still has limited anonymity, from what I've heard, and the speculative market also fucks it up.

Is "the blockchain" just like some nerd shit that's for internal hospital ledgers, and beyond that it's all kind of moot garbage, or what? Someone spoonfeed me.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It's the whole web 3 concept of the community powers the infrastructure to run the community. It's an enticing concept, The people using the service pay with their CPU and internet connection to use the service. It makes what would be a rather expensive infrastructure almost free.

With blockchain they're doing some smart things, you can wrap code around the ledgers, in the end it's just varying fancy levels of receipts verified and secured by the community. It's verifiable but anonymous.

But then you've got cryptocurrency doing complex math burning through tons of electricity looking for unicorns to add to the ledger, in a massive pyramid scheme. Okay, it's not exactly a pyramid scheme. Whoever starts a given currency makes the vast majority of the money off of it when the coins are easy to find, but at some point it is pretty close to any other given financial system, with the benefits of being anonymous and verifiable.

The bitcoins are just entries on the ledgers. But then s*** like NFTs are on ledgers. Someone sells you a receipt for a JPEG on a URL. It's all only worth what someone will pay you for it. And without a whole bunch of regulation, it's not exactly a safe market.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)

One is the tech, the other is an example of a type of the tech. A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square.

For most applications, this isn't necessary:

There are some examples like in biotech/finance that I personally believe will require a blockchain to be truly "fair" at the end

[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (17 children)

I'm stupid, can you give me a like, more clear practical example of a good use of blockchain? Cause I get the sense that a good amount of this conflict, going off that flowchart, is going to be due to the evaluation of these situations as like, not needing to arise in the first place, or maybe like, a philosophical objection to the necessity of the technology, maybe. But I think a clearer example could help with this.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Blockchain technology can improve health care services in a decentralized, tamper-proof, transparent, and secure manner.

This can also be used for research institutes to be able to research with each others' findings.

Here is a paper on the topic: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8555946/

Blockchains are also great for the verification of digital goods as tangible assets. While I'm not sure we reach this level of meme, people could 100% mint their own house's deed and trade that as a legit way to buy/sell their house.

I am very carefully avoiding the words "NFT" because they are another horrible use-case of a blockchain (and a prime example of how capitalists turn a good tech into something stupid for a quick buck), but this would theoretically be a tokenized-security with a 1:1 to the actual deed to the house.

Is that more secure than the normal process of buying a house? Do you really need it to be external to a 3rd party when the transfer of homes already exists? No not really lol, hence why we probably see it the most in highly regulated industries like biotech and finance first.

HIPPA/Securities-laws (or lack-thereof) will require a tough regulatory framework that "could" realistically be done via a 3rd party, but you have to ask yourself if you trust big-pharma and wallstreet enough to regulate themselves like that.

Edit: Looked up and saw c/lemmyshitpost, maybe I'm spending too much time elucidating a response on a meme thread but this is my take on the tech.

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[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You can use blockchain technology for a wide variety of things, just please no more cryptocurrency and NFTs.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nothing particularly useful though. It's a very slow, inefficient, trustless, immutable database. There really aren't many good applications for that.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That highly depends on what blockchain implementation is being used and what it's being used for. Blockchains used for craptocurrency are highly inefficient, which is the vast majority. But there are a small handful of specialized (proprietary) blockchains that are just efficient enough to be practical in their highly specific use case.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (10 children)
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