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Proton CEO Andy Yen gave a surprisingly sharp interview to the Swiss magazine "watson" (source in German: https://www.watson.ch/digital/wirtschaft/517198902-proton-schweiz-chef-andy-yen-zum-ausbau-der-staatlichen-ueberwachung). He warned that Proton might leave Switzerland if new surveillance laws are passed, which aligns with the company’s strong pro-privacy stance. So far, nothing unexpected.

However, Yen’s remarks about Swiss officials - describing them as lifelong bureaucrats, all lazy, and incompetent - came across as arrogant and out of place, almost like something you’d expect from a capitalism praising Trump supporter. he also was quoted in the interview, that the US works better (so they consider to move there?).

The interview left me speechless, and I’m certain I won’t be considering Proton for any of my future projects

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

This is a thinly-veiled attempt at leveraging his past comments to make a normal boring interview seem like a firecracker. Disingenuous as fuck, from title yo body.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't see anything wrong here, calling bureaucrats lazy has absolutely nothing to do with Trump. I call then all the time lazy and useless in my country.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In the US at least, federal employees are non-political employees who have protections against getting randomly fired, so a new politician can't replace the entire workforce with loyal idealogues. Federal employees earn less income than workers in the private sector, but do it for the sense of purpose and the stability.

Insulting bureaucrats as "lazy" on the whole is the first step to removing those protections, and going back to the world of Andrew Jackson and the robber barons, before these rules existed. Where the regulators can be fired for any reason and replaced with staff that are friendly to business, or not replaced at all. This led to huge wealth disparities, deregulation, a global depression, and the wealthy mostly remained unarmed.

So while calling government workers "lazy bureaucrats" seems harmless, in the USA at least it is part of an influence campaign to dismantle and despoil the government.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (10 children)

I think you are stretching they have protection here too that does not mean we can not criticize for bad work. How is calling them lazy a step removing those protection? People should call out those abuse their position being able to do so is good and democratic. Only by calling out the problems of a system that system can be improved, staying silent and ignoring the issues is problematic not calling them out. That does not mean everyone should be fired for any reason, it mean there is room for improvement.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'll never understand the hate boner people on the internet have for this guy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

He said he supported one of Trump's staff picks once and hoped the person would do a good job.

God forbid 🙄🙄

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I read the entire interview, and while it was a browser translation, I didn't get the same sense from it as OP. It reads to me like standard commentary from someone who works in secure services.

The comment about the US was more about the fact that they wouldn't have the same obligations to expose users or implement backdoors as what this regulation is asking, and that's true. The US is still (thankfully) supportive of E2EE services. How long that lasts is unknown, but it is still nonetheless true right now.

And calling the politicians lazy bureaucrats, etc.? I call Democrats stuff like that all the time.

He's said some other potentially problematic things, depending on how you read them, but this seems pretty innocuous and in line with what I'd expect from someone in his position.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Bereaucrats being lazy is a common theme, for a reason. I don't get people who act like this isn't a well-known common issue, in pretty much any government.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm using Proton and considering divesting. What are good alternatives without US ties?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think there's any all-in-one services like Proton. [email protected] has a few suggestions, https://european-alternatives.eu/ has others. You'll likely have to piecemeal things if you had the full Proton suite.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm only using the email though so it is not a hard transition.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Then Tuta or Mailbox.org are often recommended. I use Tuta + Addy.io to give me a bunch of aliases, though if you pay for one of the mail services, they both give you a number of aliases, too.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Such a shame to see what seemed like a great alternative to Gmail under such management.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, fuck that guy for

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Hating bureaucracy like the rest of the world!

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