i don't understand why the proton board doesn't sack him
i also don't understand why he's praising a surveillance state like the us which is currently deporting people because they're critical of foreign governments
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I left to Tuta when he got unnecessarily political last time, and it's been pretty great.
Also, they just dropped a calendar widget yesterday ;)
tuta and mullvad has been my goto since the proton implosion
I hope that this is only a few misguided bureaucrats of the ÜPF, who wake up and notice that they make a big mistake.
I've only skimmed but it seems he's only angry at specific bureaucrats. I don't see anything too outrageous.
I suspect that computer scientists have a tendency to believe that all complex problems can simply be broken down into many small parts and solved once and for all. But that is because they enjoy thinking that way for writing code or solving computer problems, and they are not educated at all in sociology, economy, psychology or political science. There are those who seek power above anything else - and that is why we can't have nice things or simple solutions.
He does come across a bit like a libertarian nutjob as if it's up to the "captains of industry" to fight crime and care for the well-being of people. Except of course about the surveillance area he is right, the surveillance state has always and will always overreach. And organized crime and terrorists can always circumvent legal means of surveillance by faking or stealing identities.
For those in the back:
Most of the links in that list fail or lead to http rather than https. The point about Radware links to an archived webpage that states that proton no longer works with them. Storing Emails as .eml seems to be a rather arbitrary critique. Criticizing Proton for operating in Switzerland because of Swiss laws also seems odd, when the very article you are positing it under is criticizing Swiss laws changing further to make them consider relocation.
You know…. You may be right. But I honestly don't have the time, patience or willingness to dig further into companies anymore.
My tolerance for brands now is absolute ZERO. I don’t care anymore. One tiny tiny small fuckup, mistake, wrong worded phrase and you end up in my blacklist. It’s unfair? Oh no… ahaha
Proton can fail, Andy and all the employees can be jobless and homeless for what concerns me. Too harsh? Good, quit then, distance yourself.
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I assume this is poster's seelf deletion because otherwise more of the post would be gone including title and creator. is this a smear campaign?
I mean, things we have seen in the past does not inspire a lot of trust, but what is this?
On my side it's
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I don't know exactly what that means, but it doesn't appear like the person who wrote it meant to delete it, or avoid criticism about it
a good alternative to protonmail for secure encrypted email communication is Delta Chat: https://delta.chat/
That source is literally scrapping an empty pot for nothing
Glad I went with Tuta mail.
Talk about a walled garden
How exactly is this different from Proton?
Proton bridges to other applications via imap. Tuta claims that’s “too insecure.” Even though every email ever uses it.
Isn’t the proton bridge only available for paid customers?
Yes, I use my own domains.
Then you’re good. My main complaint is for the free plan. You either pay or are forced to use their UI and protocols. Most users are on the free plan and as such, enter kind of a walled garden
Their predatory pricing also doesn’t make them look great
I fully agree with you. Sorry, I wasn’t getting your point before.
I paid for Proton for privacy and custom domain. Then I wanted more domain and didn’t love the CEOs words but more over wanted to try Tuta. Price was cheaper and offered more domains.
Tuta had zero non Tuta application use such as thunderbird and you can only email support if you pay! What in the world.
I read online and many recommended mailbox.org. It offers 50 custom domains for less than 4$ a month. I’m now of the opinion that both Proton and Tuta are kind of like VPNs, they prey on scared users who think they need these services. Why does my mailbox need to be encrypted when email already has its own security functions and it’s already unencrypted when sent to another email? Why can’t I use IMAP as all other mail uses? Why should I use a “private” email with a custom domain when I bought that domain with my own name? lol
I don’t have the energy or care to dig deep into those questions like some people might but after my experience switching between those two I find them both quite pointless. It’s good to have google alternatives but, like VPNs, they’re scaring their customers into thinking an extra feature is essential
No worries! That’s kind of you :)
My simple answer for encryption is that encryption at rest ensures that if the mail provider gets hacked or an employee goes rogue, your mails won’t leak. This as well as them not being able to hand out your mail in case of an investigation. That’s pretty much their only advantage over a classical host.
Thank you for explaining! :)
Does Mailbox.org's privacy statement read well to you?
Oh, I found this. It seems you can activate mailbox encryption! Thanks for pushing me to find this.
The privacy statement shows big words and all, but I’m interested in the legal page of privacy policy. Unfortunately, an orange flag is that it isn’t easily available from anywhere, which is a bad practice. Here is its link: https://mailbox.org/en/data-protection
It’s not written like ordinary privacy policies, they organized it in categories, which funnily enough makes it harder to read and understand.
Overall it’s pretty good but a lot of things aren’t mentioned. It seems like the IP with which you registered is permanently stored on their servers. Big red flag if that’s the case. Consider using a VPN/proxy when creating an account if that matters to you.
It seems like they also let you store your private key encrypted by a password, which is a nice way to do it. Incoming emails are encrypted this way which makes them encrypted at rest. I wonder how it works with other email clients though. Nothing to say more than it’s perfect.
They don’t use the content of your emails, they don’t sell your data or "track" you. That’s nice!
NOTE: I actually didn’t read proton's privacy policy! So I can’t compare both, but in terms of privacy you’re pretty good with mailbox. Their analytics respect your privacy overall. Anonymity isn’t perfect but they allow VPNs and Tor exit nodes. They would benefit from having more transparency around this subject: data collection and time of retention.
Thank you for taking the time to break that down! :) kind of you.
To be clear, the proton bridge is supposed to be accessed via localhost. Connecting via IMAP over a network connection is less secure.
I don’t think I ever said otherwise but thanks for the details.
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