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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.whynotdrs.org/post/494473

Compared against the predominant incumbent social media platforms, the fediverse is very small.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I was reading the Wikipedia page linked just an hour ago.
and I was surprised to see over a billion daily users on Facebook. I used to think at best that'd be in millions.

I understand now that what do people mean when they day social media's amplification of a certain message can have great impact. I used to take it lightly, partly because I an totally detached to any of these big platforms.

and being on Lemmy is a wholly different experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There is an interesting, and almost universal phenomenon on reddit that every time a subreddit gets past about 40,000 subscribers, the discussion quality immediately drops off a cliff, unless extremely harsh moderation policies are implemented to explicitly weed out low effort content which brings its own set of problems.

My theory on why this occurs is the scaling power of moderation. I think you computer people are probably very familiar with the concept of scalability, and that size is its own challenge at the hyperscale. So for a centralized system like Twitter or Instagram or Facebook, moderation can only scale vertically, so a huge moderation team is needed to contend with the scale of these platforms alone, which also forces the need of personalized recommendation algorithms to promote this that are actually interesting to individual users.

Reddit was able to partially avoid this phenomenon with the subreddit system, which means everyone was able to effectively manage their own, smaller subgroups who shares common interest without intervention from the site admin/mods to achieve a form of pseudo-horizontal scaling. You can also see the success of that with Facebook Groups, which are one of the few reasons why people still use Facebook for social media even though they do not want to interact with the current Facebook audience.

Lemmy, and the rest of the fediverse platforms would suffer the problems even less, as now every group admin can now be completely independent from one another, which means that real horizontal scaling can be achieved and hopefully preserving the discussion quality to a degree as it grows.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

great comment!

i tend to agree. i think the fediverse is probably the best model moving forward. it is a challenging problem!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Since you posted it in a selfhosting community, this is the feeling I get:

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So Facebook is:

Boring Full of bots Soulless

An we are:

Real people mostly Engaged A cute little dot!

Like someone said, 1,5M people are enough for me, specially if they are mostly active and it seems they are. Are they stats for mean user activity?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Not being able to scroll recycled content all day has been hugely detrimental to me. I’ve actually started reading books again. BOOKS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Same. It’s amazing how much time I have when the algorithm isn’t shoving me endless content, trying to keep me engaged.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Really shows how everyone has been addicted to social media, myself included.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I’m so sorry, I can’t imagine how you bear it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Wow, the Fediverse is actually visible :0

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I'm happy with this. I feel like Lemmy is an oasis of nerds in a social media world of toxic people obsessed with all the wrong things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

WE'RE ON THE RADAR, BOYS!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

we really need to stop calling it formerly Twitter and just call it Shitter.

he ruined the platform, the people can ruin a name

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why this many people use Snapchat is incomprehensible

There are so many good messenger apps and all of them, Snapchat's giant userbase remains

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hell, why do this many people use LinkedIn? The whole platform was built off of scraping Windows user's address books without permission, sending unsolicited emails to all of those contacts using the name of that user, and pretending like they were such a great platform that of course your friends are inviting you to also join. And I'm pretty sure they still use this practice today because I continue to get emails from people who have no idea why their name is being attached to the spam I receive.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

LinkedIn is very useful for job searching and networking. I don't post on there, but it was key to getting several job offers.

I'm not aware of any other professional social networks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

There's no way reddit has more "real" users than Twitter // X. Maybe with bots but half the shit on reddit is a Twitter screen cap or repost.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's a strange read on Reddit. I've heard people say this before, and it's baffling.

Reddit is, and always has been, a link aggregator first and foremost. Of course it's reposts and screenshots of others sites. That's kind of the point. To bring you Twitter so you don't have to actually be on twitter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention a supermajority of reddit users are inactive. Recap has shown that even with minimal activity, you end up in the top 1% of reddit users.

That means reddit has roughly 5 million active users. Meanwhile nearly every person that creates a lemmy account, is active too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I suppose this is related to your “users are inactive” point but I also feel like it’s more common on Reddit to have multiple/alt accounts. Hell, in my time on Reddit I think I made 7+ accounts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Why? I feel like that would be more common on Lemmy than anything. There is an actual point in using different instances here, I don't see any point whatsoever on Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

To keep your interests separate, to prevent doxing, to break up your post history, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm absolutely fine with 1.5 million. I enjoy lemmy much more than reddit. I feel like content and conversations here are better. None of the karma farming and corporate promotion disguised as natural content.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Although you're correct, I find fediverse lacking in the department of the more niche stuff, e.g. fandoms of specific games, communities by geo proximity, obscure hobbies.

But well, Reddit wasn't like this from the start and I hope the diversity and smaller communities will be here instead of there with time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Former r/fountainpens Reddit refugee here, and I agree 1.5m users doesn't generate the kind of traffic for my hobby to figure in any sort of way. I miss the engagement

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Fuck Spez.. amirite ? Guys?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

What was twitter at pre elonification?

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