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Wiki - The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually ceased or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly self-contradictory idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I dislike the framing of this, specifically:

"When we extend tolerance to those who are openly intolerant the tolerant ones end up being destroyed"

Implies that the intolerant are guarenteed victory. I vehemently disagree that this is true, and therefore would argue tolerating the bad actors is often a necessary evil to ensure that good actors are not unjustly censored. The risk of 'another hitler' is accepted this way of course but unless we as a society can demonstrate (if at all) that risk would be mitigated by the censorship of hate speech we have no good cause.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's only a paradox because the creator of the infographic has oversimplified what intolerance is.

When nazis are intolerant of a minority group, or whatever their target is, are violent towards them.

When the general society is intolerant of nazis, they are not usually calling for nazis to be killed or harmed.

And the creator does not differentiate between how a government deals with nazi versus the people. A government may "tolerate" nazis when it comes to free speech, and then be "intolerant" of nazis when they commit violence, and arrest or prosecute them. The general populace, unlike the government, cannot prosecute nazis (legally), they can only shun them. The creator clumsily does not differentiate between legal consequences and social consequences.

Basically, the infographic creator is trying to both-sides this shit, when one side want ppl dead, while other side just want nazis to go away. They are not the same. Moronic, sophomoric, low IQ. Too bad this may actually work on some people. That's the sad part.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When the general society is intolerant of nazis, they are not usually calling for nazis to be killed or harmed.

And why aren't we doing that? They're literally Nazis?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If ten people knowingly sit down to a meal with a Nazi, you have 11 Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This just kevin-bacons all human beings into nazihood.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Everyone's a little bit racist sometimes....

Doesn't mean we go around committing hate criiiiimes!

Ethnic jokes might be uncouth

But you laugh because they're based on truth

Don't take them as personal attacks

Everyone enjoys them, so relax

One day I should actually see the play that song is from...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If twelve people sit at a table with a Nazi, you have thirteen Nazis

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

This is such a stupid perspective because it's literally just guilt by association. No, sitting down with someone with vile views does not make you endorse, condone, or otherwise suppoer those vile views.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Its not a paradox.

Tolerance is a social contract.

If you refuse to be part of the social contract, then you do not receive its protection.

it is not paradoxical to be intolerant to those who want to destroy the contract to harm individuals or society. Being violently intolerant against them is nothing but acting in the defense of our own personhood, the personhood of our fellows, and the good of our society.