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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Keycloak is a industry standard and is very much not vendor locked. Same with Auth0. As far as oauth goes.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Yall just use Krita if you want a photoshop replacement on Linux and then stop complaining about gimp please. Krita draws circles exactly like photoshop please just use Krita and leave the gimp people alone

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago

I use both.

Krita is for drawing. GIMP is for making memes.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (16 children)

Circle select + Shift-PaintBucket

People really love making storms out of water glasses.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

photoshop has got problems, but gimp and krita have the sort of problems that i never had using PS. like, completely missing functions and tools that are standard in PS. maybe there's an extension, maybe there isn't, and troubleshooting is time and energy spent when i have little to spare on making art or whatever

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Tried Serif Affinity? Photoshop is great mate but it's not worth that cash.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not paying for it, my boss is

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[–] [email protected] 159 points 1 month ago (16 children)

Downplaying the importance of UX is one of the reasons the year of the Linux desktop still has not arrived.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (35 children)

If by importance of UX you mean "your program should look and behave exactly like this other program made by a corpo, because I've learned that one already".
In reality The Year Of The Linux might never arrive, it doesn't have a multibillion corporation spending multi billions in order to make Linux a default software on every computer you buy. (to pedants: Android doesn't count)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Valve sells all of its computers with Linux on it, no?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (14 children)

They don't sell all-purpose computers, they sell gaming systems that run Linux underneath. The regular user never has to interact with the OS

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think the difference is with their software you can play around the UI and figure out things by intuition and trial and error

The same thing is not enough in FOSS in many cases. Like for ex, drawing solid shapes in GIMP

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

For three years I worked teaching computers to adults, and for four years I was a system administrator/helpdesk for a big office.
I can absolutely assure you, from my experience, there is nothing inheritly easier or harder to figure out in close source software vs foss, in windows vs linux, in gui vs console, in Photoshop vs Gimp.
The only difference is, what did a person encountered before. The idea that you can give a person photoshop and they will draw you a sold shape, but you give the same person gimp and they will not be able to never stood up to my experience with probably thousands of people.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's not a standard until there's an ISO, RFC, IEEE or IEC number to go with it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Or ABNT or DIN or (...)

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

W3C

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[+] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Vendor lock-in is bad and Adobe's business practices are bad, no matter how you cook it. There are so many viable alternatives to Adobe stuff.

Problem is, Photoshop power users don't often want to hear about any alternatives. GIMP is just one of the most popular culprits in this regard. That's exactly the kind of mindset that the vendor lock-in creates.

I'm kind of happy that I stuck with GIMP when I was younger. Now, I have absolutely no fear of trying out any software that comes my way. I do most of my photo work in Affinity Photo. Don't have problems with GIMP either, use it for some other stuff.

The only way to get people to switch from Adobe is to wait for Adobe to make the life unbearable for their own customers. Some time ago there was a huge movement for people to switch from Premiere to DaVinci Resolve because Premiere really is pretty horrible these days.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

The only way to get people to switch from Adobe is to wait for Adobe to make the life unbearable for their own customers

Completely agree with this! The big opportunities to get mindshare will come completely out of the blue, and likely as a result of massive blunders on Adobe's side.

We never know when the blunders will come, we just have to be ready and provide the next best user experience so that the free software is the "obvious" place to switch to.

As we saw from the twitter/reddit migrations, the fediverse did get a large amount of traction, but bluesky became the obvious alternative because its UI was basically the same.

And that's fine - the fediverse is it's own thing and many people (myself included) don't want "adoption at all costs" - but I think it's worth pointing out that it does hinder adoption in these big moments.

I have a lot of respect for free software projects that deliberately replicate the UI of an existing proprietary project. They make it so easy to recommend for people to switch when those moments come.

What I have seen is that once people get a taste of free software that really easily solves their problem, it makes the benefits "real" to them and they start to look for other alternatives on their own.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't do graphic design and only use GIMP for making memes. Could you give a few pointers, why GIMP is not usable compared to photoshop?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

there was a case to be made in the past [nondestructive editing, cmyk etc], but as of 3.0(.2) the divide is steadily narrowing

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

There are a lot of little things and a few deal breakers but I'm going to tell you the funny one because I don't want to write a 10 paragraph essay on why I hate GIMP far more than is rational.

The name bars it from ever being something that most companies would consider using.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Damn this might be the fakest reason I've ever heard to not support GIMP

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you wanted to give counterexamples to your point, you couldn't come up with a better one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I really don't want to get into it over something that I don't have any influence on tbh. There are a lot of things that I could rightly point out as issues ,but if people haven't been willing to listen to the hundreds of people that have said the exact same things that I would say, I just don't see the point. GIMP will keep on being GIMP and thats fine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

So far hundreds of people are saying exactly what you do. "It's just better, OK, shut up, I will not elaborate".
And yeah, obviously, it's not your job to do anything for an anonymous commenter on the internet, but you have spent the same amount of time telling us that you don't want to provide examples, than you could just giving us two or three, and that's not not saying something.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I doubt that to be a serious concern for companies. Especially with how marketing regularly revolves around sexualizing their messages and how things like hostesses are a thing at many trade-fairs. The CEO of NVIDIA signed a boob ffs.

Also the only time i came across the term gimp was in Pulp Fiction. If it wasn't for that movie i wouldn't know that it has something to do with BDSM.

But really, what are things why GIMP is rationally not suitable for industry work? Is it a lack of certain features? Is it performance? Is it an impossible to learn UI? Because in your other reply all i read was that people who are used to PS just stick with it, because that is what they are used to. Which then brings us to exactly what the meme is criticizing.

And at the monthly pricing of Adobe that switching costs only justify themselves for so long. Also a friend of mine who does photo and video stuff for weddings and events as a side-gig has been furious how having to have Win11 to use Adobe cost him 5k because his old computer was not compatible anymore.

So i am curious to understand, if there is rational reasons, why taking the shit from Adobe is worth it. Of course if certain standard workflows take 1 minute in PS and 2 minutes in GIMP that adds up over a full time job. On the other hand if professional users were to support the open source development, these issues could be addressed, creating value for everyone except Adobe.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Docker Engine, without the Docker Desktop licensing and VM overhead

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Docker is a great example because podman basically is a drop in replacement.

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