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Thatโs just January, just when fElon was just getting started.
Iโve heard from Germany but are there any articles about Spain? Spain seems to hate musk in particular, me gusta
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Why are only some countries included? Did it go up in the other ones?
What numbers would cause them to go bankrupt? I can't imagine any business surviving such significant losses for very long.
Tesla has something like 40b in cash, and makes more profit on their vehicles than everyone, even at these lower prices, except for companies like Porsche.
You could probably halve their total sales and they'd still be fine financially.
The stock would be another story though.
40b doesn't sound like a lot for such a big company, though. That money will burn through quickly, unless they start mass firing their workforce.
There must be a breaking point. No large company can just exist without sales keeping them afloat.
It's less the 40b and more how profitable the vehicles are.
They have a lot of room for reduced sales, they could cut an entire shift and be okay profitability wise. The 40b allows them, If they wanted to still try and grow with the reduced sales. That could last for many years if needed in that case, but if shit hit the fan and they decided to grow less and optimize for further reduced costs the could probably keep the 40b much longer.
Edit: And they sell more than cars to generate more profit. Energy business is growing and less (bit not zero) impact from his craziness as commercial stuff cares less.
OK, so same question as before: how bad do their sales need to be for them to tank? I mean, we're seeing over 70% drop in some countries. Could they possibly sustain that for six months? A year?
If the general public had a target, I'm sure we'd get there!
They still sold 330,000 cars even with all the drops and model y changeover on a quarter that's always the weakest in the year.
It would have to get much much much worse to make them not profitable on the cars, and not be able to sustain the difference from their energy business.
Maybe sales under 1 million for the whole year for something like no profit? But maybe not even then?
Edit: in 2017 The model 3 ramp was profitable at 5k a week in Fremont, and the car is cheaper to make today.
What numbers would cause them to go bankrupt?
They'll shrink in size but will always be a big player in the EV market.
The main question is: how big a decline will be required for the board to boot Musk out?
but will always be a big player in the EV market.
Not for long if their sales continue to tank, because that revenue will be going to other manufacturers, who will become bigger than tesla, eventually.
And I don't simply want Musk out. He'd still be rich because of Tesla. I want the company to fold completely. I want his fortunes to be zero, and his influence to be less than zero.
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Q1 vs Q1 Tesla is up in China, it was something tiny like less than 2% though where q1 2024 was already low.
They're still down pretty much everywhere else though.
Generally speaking, picking individual months is pretty meaningless.
China needs to tariff tesla heavily to protect their companies.
I won't cry for Musk, quite the contrary... But I also don't know how important the EU as a market is for Tesla?
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Is turkey considered part of Europe?
Asking as an American so I understand this.
Edit: thank you everybody that replied and my question is asked incorrectly. I meant if it was part of the EU.
Basically the part west of the link between the Mediterranean sea and the Black sea is considered is considered European and the rest is not.
Turkey has asked to join the EU already. It was denied last time but something tells me next time they may be very welcome instead.
(hint: Turkey has the second biggest army in NATO right after the USA and has the most active/quickly growing weapon/armament industry in Europe too)
I think a change of government would be required as Erdogan is only getting more authoritarian. I suspect this is partly because he knows the backlash is coming, but that may lead to even harsher crack downs on decent and he could go full Putin. The EU wouldn't want that hot mess inside their borders.
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geographically some of it is.
"Europe" doesnt always mean "European Union"
And this is the European bit of Istanbul:
https://istanbul.tips/guide-about-european-side-of-istanbul-things-to-do-see-how-to-get-around/
It is where most of the key historical buildings are, and I've always had accommodation there (my uncle lived there too). If you are flying in, you'll usually arrive at the main airport, which is also on the European side. If you are foolish to use EasyJet they use an airport on the Asian side which is an awful long way out of the city and involves driving through mile after mile of new tower blocks that are a worry in an earthquake zone (earthquakes are moving westward along the North Anatolian Fault and Istanbul will likely be hit next - it'll be horrific).
Yes, the European part of the country is part of Europe and the rest of the country is in Asia. Source: I listened in middle school.
I see.
Can you provide a link to your middle school source?
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My partner just told me a more interesting question and probably your intent was to ask: is Turkey in the European Union? And no, it is not however Turkey has many ties to Europe especially in defense. Much of the EU is part of NATO and many Europe adjacent countries are also party to the treaty. This includes Turkey.
Turkey is also split between Europe and Asia. Most of the country is in Asia. But the country is split in Istanbul by the Bosporus Strait. The European part of Turkey is on the North side of the strait. This gives Turkey a land border with Greece and Bulgaria.
Also, in the past, the Ottoman empire was pretty damn expensive pushing much further North and containing much of what we call Eastern Europe. Modern Czechia, Austria, Croatia, Poland, and Ukraine form the border for the lands claimed by the Ottomans.
This is what I'm looking for. Thank you so much for the info.
France and Spain FTW
You gonna have to pump those numbers down, those are rookie numbers.
This is interesting! Spain and Portugal had in fact a slight rise where others had drops, just a few weeks ago in similar illustrations, but are now among the biggest drops. How can that be?
Different time frames. I think the illustrations where registrations/sales were up was for a time span of two months or so, but overall they're still down if you look at the time shown on this map
I make a point of never trusting internet information until I personally verify it. Particularly these maps, which are nearly always incorrect or misleading. The internet is full of worthless information. Mining for diamonds is the only means of finding anything even bordering on worthwhile in this garbage pit filled with AI, spam, and propagandists.
My completely anedoctal reasoning is that at this moment Portugal and Spain have more pressing local fish to fry and the whole American issues are taking a backseat on the public discourse. Most people you talk to will be out of the loop over the DOGE, MAGA, nazi salute plot. Moreover the smaller volume of luxury car sales are also contributing to a lagged response. People who were going to buy Teslas made that decision a while back.
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Iโm gonna need England and Italy to pump them numbers up.
Yeah, I was expecting us to be the lowest number, but nope! Still, 2nd from bottom is pretty bad...
In Italy the percentage is low because not many Teslas are sold anyway
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I believe it is to do with the difference in the starting number of registrations but would need to see the data broken down.
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If you're having doubts about how much this movement is working, remember this chart. Keep the boycott going!
Interestingly, I do not see quite a bit of European countries, including Poland, Czechia, etc
Feels like either an attempt of manipulation, or lack of research
If you do speak Czech, Polish etcetera then maybe you can find those numbers. It's not easy for someone who doesn't.
This is the second result for me when I used this duck duck go query
In January 2025, according to PZPM data, 1,121 new electric vehicles were registered in Poland, which is 0.4% more than a year earlier. In January, against the background of a calm in the market, Tesla showed an impressive decrease in car shipments to customers - by 48.8% to just 103 units. For comparison, in 2024, about 4,500 new Teslas were registered, which gave the American brand almost a 27% share in the Polish market of new electric passenger cars. In January 2025, this share decreased to 9.2%.
I doubt those are huge markets for premium cars, but also I imagine the car market in Czechia is just overwhelmingly dominated by Skoda.
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