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thelemmy.club's Nazi bar problem: defederation worthy? [problem resolved] (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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FINAL UPDATE

@bdonvr, admin of The Lemmy Club has, in my opinion, responded in good faith to the concerns raised in this post, and so I have withdrawn my proposal for defederation. In summary:

They will no longer be allowing conservative/right wing communities on their instance
A couple of accounts were banned ( marathon and Bernard )
"realcaseyrollins decided to voluntarily close /c/[email protected], /c/[email protected], and /c/[email protected]."

Personally, I think this is just about the ideal outcome, and I hope this will convince folks to give The Lemmy Club another chance.

The Lemmy Club is currently suffering from "The Nazi Bar" problem. All of their top communities are run by three right-wingers as illustrated below.

The Lemmy Club instance admin doesn't seem to want to ban them, for the reasons mentioned below:

This vote is on whether or not we should defederate from this instance until they address their Nazi Bar problem.

Upvote = for defederation. Downvote = against defederation.

Edit: As others have mentioned, happy to treat this a only a temporary measure until the problem is resolved.

Edit 2: The Lemmy Club admin has said they will implement a rule against right wing communities, and has taken action on some problematic posts and users (see original comments below).

I'm willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to the admin here, as they have responded in good faith:

If you implement those changes then I’d be willing to withdraw the defederation proposal and consider the problem resolved.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If I have to choose between this user and federation with db0 I would side with db0.

However I must comment frankly that moving immediately to defederation over a thread in which the subject - @[email protected] - has never been the subject of db0 moderation action (with over 4k combined comments and posts over 6 months) in some attempt to strongarm me into action is, at minimum, distasteful.

Trust me, I'm a card carrying Communist party member. I do not care for conservative views at all. But I did not create The Lemmy Club to be a partisan instance - but a general instance to replace reddit. I do of course have limits, however in reviewing the posting history of @[email protected] I do not find anything worthy of banning. I do not like some of the sources they post. But they also post non-conservative stories and sources as well and generally conduct themselves in a reasonable manner in all posts and comments. They do not appear to me to be some wild-MAGA idiot, although they do seem to be conservative. They post unfavorable things about Trump fairly often. The fact that it has come to this is to me, a bit bizarre.

Thanks for having this open to outside comments, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

The problem is all your top communities are run by these right wing guys. I know you probably don't want to have to trawl through every post, and neither do I. But shit attracts flies.

You should be made aware, for example, that the user who posted this https://thelemmy.club/post/23635160 and this https://thelemmy.club/post/23387257 in "Right Wing Videos" is a literal neo-nazi (see his Mastadon post profile here: https://friends.ravergram.club/@Bernard). I'm sure if we dig around some more there will be many more examples.

Unfortunately we can see where things are headed because we already had to deal with instances like exploding heads. I think that, while the mods themselves seem well behaved enough to not get reported, they are effectively acting as cover for the more unsavoury characters that right wing instances invariably attract.

Unless you want to spend all your time checking those communities, I just think you're better off without them. You are right that jumping straight to a defed vote is a bit harsh maybe, but I think if we just blocked the communities then there would be no real pressure on you to take any further action, and personally I think it would be better for the fediverse to not have right wing content platformed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Acknowledged governance topic opened by https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/flatworm7591 Early Bird: a parrot, orangered colors Jolly Roger: an icon of pirate jolly roger skull wearing a hat, in orange-red, black and white colors A book with a loaf of bread in the cover in orange-red, black and white colors First Mate: a pirate ship's steering wheel, orangered color

This is a simple majority vote. The current tally is as follows:

For: (4), (3), (1), (8)
Against:
Local Community: +0.8
Outsider sentiment: Supportive
Total: +16.8
Percentage: 100.00%

This vote will complete in 10.74 hours

Reminder that this is a pilot process and results of voting are not set in stone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm confused on how to vote. The vote tally shows for/against, and then "outsider sentiment support", and I'm not sure what that is, and also who and how gets to vote.

Also, I'd like to vote and that's what I really care about.

Defederate that shit quick.

I'm not sure if it's possible, but ban/block those accounts as well. Too bad we can't do more about preventing those cancerous people from doing more damage.

MathGr

Edit: I take back my unofficial vote to defederate. We should wait and see.

Also, lots of love out to our Admins here for (1) noticing this, (2) attempting to rectify and and (3) being reasonable (i.e. not using a sledgehammer) when it seems that appropriate steps have been taken at this time.

However, having seen this right-wing cancer destroy other social media platforms, I want to stress that we should be as proactive and ban-happy as we feel appropriate, because this shit is not going away.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

These images are insane on my mobile Connect app. it's eight screen lengths of scrolling to get to the reply button just for this one comment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm in vote of a temporary defederation, until they address the problem. This shit is not okay, and is not a matter of just "different opinions".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

i'd rather just ban the users and use the comms are a honeypot. though I guess there is nothing that stops us from doing both.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think my problem is more with the admin. We shouldn't need to moderate his own communities for him, and if this stuff is allowed by him, it'll create a culture for this stuff on his instance.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The user in question has never faced moderation action from db0.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They are posting content on your instance, not ours. We have banned them but what is more concerning is how you have not banned/removed this. You are allowing conservatives and actual nazis to foster a hate group on your instance.

Checking [email protected] i saw "bernard" literally post a link to europe: the last battle, a neo nazi documentary. And another video claiming "jews control the narrative". You are letting spaces like these foster on your instance, dude.

Check out bernard's mastodon https://friends.ravergram.club/explore

Why have you not taken action against this? Is it really that worth it? Just ban them, come on.

This sounds harsh but i do not mean to be so, and i apologize in advance.