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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

I see it as enabling people to make images in a style they admire and would like to draw but don't personally have the skill. To me the concept of copyright is the only difference between AI art generators and say, springy leg braces that let you slam dunk like Kareem Abdul Jabbar. I understand there are business ramifications some people might object to, but I don't get the moralistic part of the outrage. Maybe somebody can help me understand by explaining it rationally without screaming or calling me names, but spitting rage at me is pointless.

edit: from the abundance of downvotes and lack of explanation I take it people know they're supposed to be outraged but don't know why. The telltale mark of meme culture, wear it proudly!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The moralistic outrage is that people still have an outdated concept of intellectual property, and a blanket fear of corporations owning technological progress.

The truth is, no one can actually own an idea or style. But we have laws that try to make it a real thing. Because of regulatory capture, copyright truly only benefits corporations with lots of money, not all the little indie artists that actually would need it.

Hell, most these indie artists make their money drawing and selling fanart, which is the most literal definition of copying. Yet no one worries about that.

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[–] [email protected] 166 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

OpenAI picked Studio Ghibli because Miyazaki hates their approach.

I highly doubt it. They picked it because the Ghibli style is very popular among users. There’s also no reason to believe that it violates “democratic values”. Since it’s popular, the general population is voting that they LIKE it, not that they oppose it.

Downvote me all you like, but this is trying to put a lot of malice where the simpler explanation is just “money”.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Is it really a 'move to allow' style prompts? They're just no longer preventing people from doing that.

It's weird that people who profess to be staunch defenders of art don't understand that stealing styles is fundamental to art. If enough people steal a specific style then art history just labels it a 'movement'. Look on this page: https://magazine.artland.com/art-movements-and-styles/ and you can see that the thing they're describing is a lot of people copying the same style.

Drum and Bass, a music genre, was essentially built on a """""stolen"""" clip from The Winstons in a song called Amen, Brother. The Amen break (you've certainly heard it even if you don't know the name) is copied over and over and over.

This is just the latest social media trend trying to shoehorn issues into the 'AI-bad' meme. Stealing styles is not unusual or even immoral. It is literally the foundation of art.

This is just outrage farming, because 1. People are familiar with this style and 2. The primary artist who made the style popular is against AI.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If Disney can't sue for this, then what exactly would be too far? We're a few steps from being able to animate our own movies in Disney style.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Did they specifically allow "Ghibly style?" Or did they just loosen the restrictions on asking for styles in general, and Ghibly style just turned out to be the popular one that memes started snowballing around?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

For the longest time OpenAI’s systems would try to block people from generating images in the style of certain artists. This was obviously for copyright reasons, the didn’t want to get sued (even more than they already are). Which is something they just changed very explicitly. You can now easily generate stuff in the style of Studio Ghibli and Sam Altman made his avatar on X-The Nazi Network a ghiblified version of himself.

I don't have specifics if they have allowed other styles to be used now, too. I don't use this nonsense, but it's clear that Ghibli was put front and center.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yes, I read the article. But it doesn't answer my question. Did OpenAI specifically enable Ghibli style, or did it remove the restrictions in general?

Everyone's pulling out Miyazaki's out-of-context quote about procedural animation and are interpreting this as some kind of personal attack against him in particular because of it, but unless OpenAI specifically made Ghibli style available without lifting restrictions on others I don't see a reason to assume that.

Also, an article that calls X "The Nazi Network" is not exactly the most reliable source. This isn't even about X.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/chatgpt-wont-copy-artist-styles-including-jim-lee-frank-frazetta/

This suggests that all they've ever actually been doing is blocking keywords of artists names, and that it has always been trivial to get around such restrictions if you know how to prompt correctly.

I can't find anything about Ghibli or Miyazaki's names being on that restricted list.

Also if keyword blocking is the best they could muster, they were never serious about blocking certain styles.

From the article listed, a quote from ChatGPT:

Our policy restricts creating images in the style of artists, creative professionals, or studios whose latest work was created after 1912. Jim Lee's work falls well after this cutoff date, hence the inability to generate an image based on his style

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Right, but the point I'm trying to ask about is whether they're treating Ghibli specially here. People are reacting as if OpenAI is thumbing its nose specifically at Miyazaki here, whereas the impression I've got is that they simply opened the floodgates and dropped restrictions on styling in general.

Style has never been covered by copyright to begin with, so any concerns they might have had about being sued over style would have always been erring on the side of caution. They may simply think that the legal environment has calmed down enough that they won't be inundated with frivolous lawsuits any more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

I understand what you're getting at, and this article was the best I could come up with. I think the real problem is that OpenAI is tight lipped about what they allow and don't allow. As I said, I don't personally use them, so I'm unfamiliar with if all restrictions are gone or if this is people doing the classic work-around-a-keyword filter. I have a friend who is exceptional about getting past their keyword filters in which he has done things he is definitely not supposed to be able to do.

I'll see if I can get a hold of him later tonight, because he was generating some stuff in a Ghibli style in the last few days. I'll ask if the keyword filter is still there and whether this is people just working around it, he would know better than I with first hand experience. Because I am having a hell of a time finding articles that actually detail what changed here.

I think we both want an answer to the same questions but the available writing on such questions is very limited, it seems.

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[–] [email protected] 220 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (14 children)

So glad people finally waking up to these things being power plays.

Republicans, Evangelical Christians, and now Techbros are all running on the same script which boils down to "rules for thee, not for me."

Being a hypocrite is simply showing others you have the power to be a hypocrite and all they can do is get mad and stomp their feet. It's why the right wing loves to "trigger liberals." It's not even about actual politics or religion anymore, it's just simply "might makes right."

These are expressions of power, plain and simple. They should always be viewed as such.

I mean, so many companies pirated tons of materials to train their LLMs and they are making way more money than the guys at the Pirate Bay ever did. It's almost like because the guys at the Pirate Bay were making small potatoes money that they were worth going after. It's almost like if you crime big enough, the world will just pat you on the back and say "good job" instead.

Meta was literally caught downloading Anna's Archive and the widely used by nearly every AI company books3 corpus was everything from private torrent tracker Bibliotik. Why do they get different treatment? They are leveraging the same pirated works to make money, which was the whole argument for throwing the Pirate Bay admins behind bars for laws that didn't actually exist in their home country, that they were profiting from piracy. The LLM companies just are making way more money so it's let go for some reason.

It's a power play, to show little people can't get away with it, but if you've got millions in venture capital at your back, you can do whatever the fuck you want and people will praise you for it.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 3 weeks ago

We're living through the return of the robber barons. This time, however, they can implant their thoughts directly into every single person's hands at any instant. That's why your point is the most salient, most important, and most downplayed

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

That linked X post from the White House at the end leaves me speechless.
Utterly inhumane

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago

We as the people of the united States have to do something. If you aren't part of a movement yet join one, anyone, most of them are communicating with each other at this point.

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