If they are genuinely stating months as a realistic timeframe then they either know nothing or are fully aware and this is a deliberate killshot.
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I feel like there are a good six very large companies that could give firsthand accounts on why letting Elon Musk touch an important piece of software is a terrible idea.
As if "accidentally" breaking it during this process would be a bug, not a feature.
"Oh no, we completely broke the SSA, it's all gone. Soorrrrrryyyyyy"
Fr. They’re gonna “accidentally lose” all the records of who was receiving social security and how much they were getting, and they’re gonna make people reapply for it in person, but they have to bring their birth certificate, social security cart, passport, driver’s license with real id, 5 years of tax returns, and probably some new special certificate they start issuing to prove you’re ~~maga~~ a real citizen
My only thought here is that they have no idea how to scope things properly. Anyone who has done rewrites or large ETLs of systems knows that initial scoping is always usually wrong. -- my bet is they drag this out for the rest of the presidency where "done in months" is actually "we're still working on it". And maybe even after so Musk can suckle another government test.
How much you want to bet they are going to feed the code base into ai and ask it to re-write it in a different language?
Excuse me, they said they want to have this done in months? Did I read that article correctly?
Whatever language is chosen will be regarded forever as worse than COBOL, regardless of its actual merits.
it's a sick world where matthew perry isn't with us but elon still is.
There are actually companies (very few) that work with migrating large cobol code bases to java, in a automated manner. And it costs a lot, hundreds of millions and it takes a couple of years. They ensure that the cobol and java execution is doing the same thing. So it works, but it's shit. Many do this because it's hard to find cobol developers and the cost of IBM mainframes.
Anyways the code turns into cobol style in Java, horrible and hard work with, would never like to maintain it.
He’ll kill a lot more than just two birds.
I’ve been a programmer for around 20 years now and I can tell you with 100% confidence that this is going to be an absolute fucking disaster. I’ve built project features—not even full projects—that took months. Hell, we launch one on Monday. This would realistically take years, and after seeing how garbage the DOGE site was built, I have zero confidence in the incel team Elon scraped off his Steam friends list.
Yeah, the ideal process is something like this:
- Write a bunch of automated tests
- Rewrite a chunk that's well tested
- Go to 1 until the project is done
I would budget a couple years. Even a smaller codebase would take more than a couple months.
Yeah, this. They need this to be completely test-driven. Build a foundation and build out/finalize in pieces. If they had an actual dev team that knew what they were doing, someone would set them straight. They also need a ton of time to gain an understanding of what every part of the existing codebase is doing.
Oh fuck this.... I can't even look at my own code from a year or two ago and understand what the hell I was doing.
I learned some very basic COBOL back in high school (using punch cards), and that shit was confusing as hell.
There is no possible way that this ancient codebase could be migrated by a bunch of 20 year olds in such a short amount of time.
They're just going to feed it to some LLM and then rely on the slop it outputs.
"Grok, do you know anything about coding in Cobol?"
Absolutely, Elon. You programmed me with all the knowledge of every coding language you know.
"Excellent! Rewrite the SSA software!"
R****dead f**got pedo-guy loser. You don't know shit, I'm a really good dad who's really good at computer games!
"Perfect. Push it to prod"
Busy few months coming up for Grok
Someone at work was saying people should download their work records from the ssa web portal before they mess it up/lose it.
I just tried to check that out and got "online service not available"
I’m sure they have their remaining engineer on the job and it will be back soon o_-
Don’t worry, I’m sure they’ll make a full backup before they do something as drastic as try to re-write the system. /s
I fully expect them to celebrate launch day by taking a sledgehammer to the old machine like that scene from Office Space. All I can say is that I really hope the SSA has been virtualizing their old COBOL applications and not running them on an ancient mainframe.
Imagine the overload on the systems as everyone rushes to do just that...
I want to thank @Loduz_[email protected] for finding the one BlueSky post that isn't schadenfreude the dark realities that Nazis did when they genocided the disabled.
It was so grotesque, I almost broke protocol.
Whatever you do, DO NOT READ QUOTE REPLIES & REPLIES TO THIS ON BLUESKY.
What you can do, is warn people on social security what will repeat historically, and defend the vulnerable. I will continue communications happening until I too get abducted.
Buddy, keep fighting the good fight, but there has got to be a better way to post about this shit where you don't come across as insane to those not already in the know. This reads like something from insanfacebookposts.
That first sentence is a run on that takes multiple reads to parse. It's definitely missing a word, and it's worded somewhat odd.
I almost broke protocol
I highly doubt anyone but you has any idea what you mean by that. We aren't all from 50501 or whereever.
The hashtag makes the next line unreasonably large, at least on lemmy. You can just bold things. That really, really damages the overall look of your post. Also, don't be coy. There's negative reason to be vague. Why shouldn't anyone read the replies? Explicit nazi propaganda? Stupid Elon simps?
What you can do, is warn people on social security what will repeat historically, and defend the vulnerable.
What you can do is: warn people on social security about the atrocities from history about to repeat, and you can defend the vulnerable.
I will continue communications happening until I too get abducted.
There are numerous college students and academics being abducted right now. I will continue posting things like this until I am as well. Abduction tracker here.
Look. I know there's a huge thing about "don't tear down or nitpick allies' messaging, that's just helping the enemy" but poor enough messaging can be self defeating. Not saying yours is, just that it can be. Lord knows they have masterful propagandists on their side, "influencers", editing teams, maybe even "audience" reaction and sentiment analytics shit going on.
You can at least take two extra minutes to proofread your shit.
Avoiding Gell-Mann amnesia! Unfortunately, to even get to this question you have to be expert enough in one area to see through the BS... Not a luxury everyone is afforded.
I vaguely remember the same story when he bought twitter and got called out by a senior dev for not understanding shit. History repeating itself speedrun any%?
Isn’t a benefit to these systems still being COBOL is that they’re hard to hack?
That's probably why. It was the premise for the reimanged series of bsg, Galactica was so old that the cylons could not hack the computers like did with the 12 colonies whom they disabled with a virus.
It's been a while since I watched it, but wasn't it un-hackable because Adama forbade any networked computers (specifically because that made them vulnerable)?
Similar principle here, the safest system is the one that never goes online (assuming people can't also get physical access).
Not really, no.
Obscurity is not security. We've learned a lot about security in the post 20 years, let alone the last 40
No, cobol is not more secure because it's a dead language. Obscurity is a hurdle, security is a wall - security is mathematical and good practices, obscurity is just being weird. It takes a bit longer to get past the weird, getting past a solid wall is a matter of luck or brilliance
The programming language itself rarely opens hacking opportunities in my experience. It is more the design of the system and potential bugs introduced by the dev can be exploited as well.
Luckily DOGE has already breached dozens of hardened systems and created a single point of failure to collapse US government wide systems, and when it happens, they'll be sure to blame Biden.
The black market for social security data is gonna have a field day.
It will kill the black market for that kind of data. What good is a black market if the data is trivially available to everyone?
even ChatGPT agrees this is stupid:
even his own Grok is against the idea:
Between this and the other instances of Elon's AI correctly calling a duck a duck (or rather, a Nazi a Nazi and a disinformation spreader a disinformation spreader), Elon might be able to replace himself with Grok as the head of DOGE and see significant improvements almost overnight.