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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Adding to the discussion, if you want to watch anything that's not mainstream (i.e. non-western, or arthouse), you're basically supposed to either wait for it to stream on Mubi or get a Blu-ray/DVD (that are often out of circulation if it's more than 5 years old). So the only real option is pirating.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Why would people pay for pirated media? lmao

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Convenience, I'd imagine. Not everybody wants to deal with ads or self-hosting.

I also know someone that subs to a pirate streaming site that they use for learning English. It has a solid library but also has dual subtitles on everything and categories based on vocabulary difficulty and accents. It's cheaper than a single legit subscription, but has way more value (both the language stuff and the massive pirated library).

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

It sure is fascinating how surges in the usage of pirate platforms tend to coincide with eras of worsening value proposition in entertainment. We should really get some top notch analysts on this to get an explanation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

If you follow some of the links to pirate sites in the article you'll get redirected to some anti-piracy site which amongst other things tells you this:

Bitch ... that's literally the reason I pirate.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Aren't they still releasing mostly to cinemas?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My mind is turning on the piracy front. I've paid for Netflix for like a decade, and it was good.

I tried not to pirate, but there was no legal way to stream Game of Thrones, so we would do watch parties. Eventually HBO came to Canada through bell and I could watch it online.

That moment was pretty great, I could watch all my shows, and HBO, and Netflix was putting out some strong content.

Then everyone decided they wanted a piece of the pie. Netflix has continued increasing prices while everyone pulled their content out, Amazon turned prime video into a roulette wheel of "can I watch this or not", and Disney+ launched and very quickly turned into only shovelling garbage quality star wars and marvel projects, and now everyone is stuffing ads into their shitty content fiefdoms.

We're back to where piracy is the better experience and now I can't watch the content I want because it's at most 2 shows a year per platform.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When they remove access to content I paid for... Fuck em.

If buyin' ain't owning, piracy ain't stealin'

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

To be fair, streaming was never buying. It was always paying entry to a library. If stuff gets removed from the library that's the way it is.
That isn't to say I don't agree. Piracy is a service problem, as Gabe Newell so eloquently put it. Streaming started losing the moment it started splintering into cable networks.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

People need to expect to pay for art and entertainment. People should. It's immoral and unethical to not pay for art and expect art to be there.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I have no problem paying for such things.

But when the distributors block access, and tell me buying ain't owning by removing access to what I've paid for, well fuck 'em.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I agree with you.

But we had a situation where consumers were happy and were paying for content, piracy dropped off, and it was insanely profitable for Netflix.

Then everyone got greedy and stuck their dicks in the pie and ruined it, and this is the backlash.

If you buy content digitally, it gets pulled from your library without your consent or recourse. If you steam you're paying more and more for less.

What we had was good, now none of my friends talk about TV shows because it starts with "hey, did you watch X, it's on paramount?" "No", "oh, nevermind".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a tragedy of the commons - as an economics problem it matters, sure, but copyright is an artificial monopoly, not a human right. We could provide these more efficiently with public funding of the arts or crowdfunds, without the need to make up imaginary property with imaginary ethics.

But if you want to sign up for a bunch of subscriptions because some might trickle down to the writers, be my guest.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I think most people would agree that artists should be fairly paid for their work. But when greedy, profiteering corporations are the ones commissioning and profiting from art, then IMO we have a moral duty to fuck with their exploitative business model.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

And art should be accessible to everyone, not just the wealthy. There's a reason that piracy almost died out completely and then came back with a vengeance. People don't mind paying a reasonable price for art, the prices and accessibility of art has just become unfeasible.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't disagree, but isn't there something to be said for denying people access to the popular culture based on their ability to pay for it?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not particularly. Things generally cost money. It's not a human rights violation to say you can't see a movie if you have zero dollars.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People need to expect to pay reasonable prices on a reasonable basis for art and entertainment, and pretending everyone should be cool with fifty different streaming services and never owning anything again is its own sort of immorality and lack of ethics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly, we’re not paying for the art, we’re paying for a limited license to view art that has already been made.

Not to mention I don’t mind paying when I know the artists who do the work will get a bigger cut than the guy who owns the servers they’re hosted on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People also should be able to pay the artist directly and not some billion dollar company who continue to try to squeeze the artists and limit creativeness all in servitude to the almighty dollar (or any other currency)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine paying $1 to each name that appears in the credits of a movie or tv show, which would be paying the artists directly for their work. It's not feasible, but that's what I read when folks toss out paying the artist directly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's assume that this hypothetical movie had 2,000 people working on it, which isn't a crazy number to assume. You think people should pay $2,000 to watch a movie?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, that's exactly the point they were making.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But if we assume a movie that made a billion dollars, and assume a high ticket price like $20, then that's 50 million tickets sold. That math only checks out if each person paid $0.01 per worker. If we cut out useless executives, that number goes way the fuck down. So yes, let's pay artists directly, and we'll save money at the same time. Even if it were a tenth of a penny to each credit per viewer, that's $50k on average, which is higher than the actual average wage for crew.. I know actors and directors make more, but that's why I'm not going so far as to say we should only pay $2 for a ticket.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have they considered offering better content and services than the free options?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Gabe said it best! "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've dropped something like 5 services in the last year and a half no the last year, due to the declining quality of their offerings, both in user interface, user experience, and content. EDIT: And price hikes!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So every movie/show for less than $50/year + time spent setting up arrs lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Even that cost and arrs aren't strictly necessary. For those who like to binge their shows, most of them get a "complete" version on most good torrent sites once they're done releasing (let's not get started on the cousin-fucking yeehaw lissencephalic level of thinking it takes to release streamed shows weekly). Download those, watch them, preserve what you think you'll rewatch in the future then delete the rest. So long as your machine has a good few terrabytes it'll last some time.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

They keep telling us that we can’t own or preserve media. We strongly disagree.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Oh no! Anyway dot jpeg

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That illustration with the hook through the film reel is so clever, I love it.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's so funny to me that we have to circumvent the site's paywall in order to read an article about pirating.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Lol, so true.

Though anymore I archive pretty much any article I share. I have a Macrodroid script to grab the link from my clipboard and send it to archive.ph and open it in a browser.

I'm currently setting up ArchiveBox for my own use too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Based as hell.

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