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What do you think about this graphic?
It should give an easy overview of the architecture of the Fediverse and what it differentiates from old social media.
It's actually a good graphic. I'd put a legend explaining some of the fediverse icons. And 2 sentences explaining that each fediverse icon communicated with other fediverse icons
I just got here but I've noticed this platform is much nicer compared to things like reddit. No bots, no ai softcore porn ads. I'll take the fediverse any day.
Nice to hear. :)
What convinced you to join?
Some people in a left leaning subreddit told me it would be a good backup. Then just yesterday I got perma banned and the admins wouldn't tell me why. So now I'm here
Welcome :)
Thanks ! They really were right when they said people here are much more pleasant than on reddit lol
Needs more chains and walls between groups in the top picture. And maybe some ransom notes.
(This is more to try to make you laugh, than useful feedback, sorry. I don't have a very good idea how to actually include these concepts in a simple diagram.)
This doesn’t explain things well. Lemmy is like a bunch of Reddits communicating with each other. The graphic makes it seem like there is just one Lemmy. Also, are Lemmy posts on Mastodon? Mastodon was largely empty last I checked.
Edit: I just now noticed the second Lemmy
Mastodon users can subscribe to Lemmy communities I think, but it doesn't really work very well. The Mastodon feed isn't really made to support threaded content so all the Lemmy comments will fill and mess up your feed.
Also, I really like your username. I learned about that fish from Animal Crossing lol.
I think the ATProtocol is better when it comes to connecting between different social media types. But I think ActivityPub makes better use of different servers.
Though I think something like Lemmy is difficult for both because of how different it is from most other social media types.
GLOBALISTS ARE TAKING OVER
There's no central authority here. But if it doesn't matter which instance you are on, then all the users on Lemmy are still just part of Lemmy.
On the graph I see other icons than Lemmy.
Are we able to see content from other social media? Or what is meant with that
Certain other content crosses boarders. Mastadon especially. Whenever you see people replying to messages and it starts with some sort of @[email protected] tagging, you're probably eavesdropping on a Mastadon thread and you don't even know it.
Love it! I've saved a copy, because I think it'll make future explanations a lot easier. Thanks!
Awesome! That's what I wanted to achieve :D
My criticism is that it largely ignores the primary advantage of Fediverse services (Decentralizing services that are designed to operate Centrally), while mostly explaining what I've always considered to be the most pointless feature (Cross Service posting).
It's a mildly neat feature if you want to centralize your entire social profile under one account (which is my security nightmare but you do you), but its not really fundamental to using federated services and its implementation can be inconsistent and confusing.
Maybe have a bunch of "Lemmy" (or whatever) nodes arranged in a circle, the same color, with the same icon, and connected to each other through the middle of the circle (not connecting to the "fediverse", although I guess you could have a transparent "Lemmy" super imposed over it) Then have the users connected to each node. Or something...I'm on a bench and just broadly visualizing it.
The next trick is explaining the fault of centralized services in a graph.
Lemmy and mastodon are not really connected, I don't know about the others. I would focus on one protocol (is that the right term here?) and show different instances. I'm not on lemmy to follow mastodon users, it's a very different concept
You can subscribe to and comment in Lemmy communities from Mastodon.
But you can’t view Mastodon posts from Lemmy.
True. That's currently not possible
But from Mastodon, you can follow and post in Lemmy groups.
I'd say these fall into the same trap that most fediverse explainers fall into — too focused on implementation details, not the experience. The average FB user thinks they're connecting to friends directly, not really considering the system architecture that powers it.
I'd like a graphic that shows how centralised media blocks connections to others outside thier walled garden.
The implementation details matter tho, your instance admin actively makes federation decisions that affect the content you see. I like to explain joining an instance as pledging yourself to a warlord in medieval Japan
But surely the average Zuckerbook user is not so dumb as to miss what this graphic is describing - a crazy utopia where they could talk to people on TikTok and Xitter as well as Zuckerbook?
Interesting. How would you put this into a picture?
My friend (the average social media user) also didn't seem too interested in it. I can imagine something interesting for the average user in a video but not in an image.
Largely similar to what you have, but abstracting away the metalware and reframing as human-centric.
If the user is at the center, surrounded by more users, making primary & secondary connections, in an approximate circle shape. You can then show traditional social media owners as wedges of that circle, containing (owning) a fraction of the users & preventing connection to others, vs. Fedi that lets you connect to everyone.
I would add random instance names to the service icons, to show them that the websites are interconnected and not just the services
In thie fesiverse graphic each person has exactly 1 connection to a fediverse thing. But in reality, there can be more. I guess in practice there are often more than one.
Maybe remove the fediverse in the middle, if I knew nothing about the fediverse it will seem like it is centralized?
John Fediverse is in the middle, holding all the fediverse conmections together.
Is his first name John or Join?
Maybe you can show that, we don't alway federate with every instance, with several drawing of this cloud network.
That's also part of our freedom :)
Good idea. But I think it's better to explain that later, when people are already curious :)