This is yet another one of many examples that affirms the correct answer to "does israel have a right to exist?" is no. No nation has an inherent right to exist, but certainly a nation as horrible as israel should not exist for many reasons, including morally, just like how nazi germany has no right to exist.
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You gotta wonder how Israel will get out from under netenyahu/spelling. He’s their sadam now
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I think you’re getting into dangerous territory with that thinking. People are not a monolith, even when an outspoken and visible portion of the population are monsters. Secondly, you say “Nazi germany has no right to exist,” but Germany does. Painting with that broad a brush and speaking in such absolutes opens the door to horrible acts. Because the zionists speak the exact same way about Palestine. That’s where that thinking and language can lead you.
My dude, the whole thing is a settler colonialist project. It has no right to exist, and no word salad attempting to introduce nuance into a black and white situation is convincing anyone otherwise. This isn't Reddit.
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There is no equation of victimhood here. Zionists have stolen Palestinian houses and land.
There were Nazi Germans occupying houses in Poland which they stole from Jews. After the Holocaust those Nazis were expelled back to where they came from. In this case from Nazi Germany (which included Poland) to Germany (without Poland)
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Even the allies didn't deny Germany had a right to exist just its then leadership and most individually culpable
Except that the Nazi nation state no longer existed after World War two. It was dismantled and replaced with a new one, it wasn't even contiguous it was carved up and divvied out to allies who had different ideas about what the new state should look like. The Nazi state didn't have a right to exist, and neither does any nation state. They're just legal constructs and should be discarded when they are harmful.
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I'm always really surprised more people don't post this stuff in conservative dominated spaces.
They're not monsters. Aside from the trolls and bots that are paid to try to sway them to be. Also the under 20 year olds that are edge Lords.
I think it's legit to get discussions and to challenge their core beliefs honestly. I do it. Some get through, sometimes I get banned. But I'm surprised more people don't go out and do similar
Have you tried? Your fantasy depiction of unfortunate misguided Nazis does not meet up with reality.
I do. I'm saying I'm surprised I don't see more. It happens with spaces on the left all the time too.
It's crazy how in the last ten years we have allowed moderation to drive us into separate corners. A time out was maybe a good idea. But we should still be working to merge back into a single Internet.
And fuck off with the 'they're are all Nazis' shit. That's the same bullshit that made MAGA go off the rails.
I know on Reddit that r/conservative had a bit of a meltdown because their users started having honest takes like "people should be held accountable for Intel leak"
They have this term "my fellow conservatives" that was clearly bots trying to suppress anyone from voicing dissent. Surprisingly lots of down votes for it. Just saying maybe there's a middle ground more than people think.
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Most moderators of conservative spaces actively remove this type of news. If you manage to find a conservative space allowing this kind of stuff by all means do post it there.
That's kind of my point though. There's like 15 moderators maybe and those moderators likely moderate a measly 1500 other sites and forums and twitch hot tub chats. They can only do so much before they have to either hammer down and prove they are not free speech or they let some past.
Plus this is saying that you're posting honestly. Legit news that is to drive discussion and not to just rub a dog's nose in it's own shit.
Would be great to go back to the days when we're all mingled. I honestly hate a lot of spaces now because there filled with people who are too out there left or right. It's boring, it's predictable and lacks almost no insight into any of these issues. It's all just rhetoric and cawing
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These days feel like an 'Are we the baddies?' moment for the US
Always have been. Hitler said himself he was inspired by the American way of treating people of colour.
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That headline seems like a bit of a catch 22. If he says he’s Hamas, he becomes a “legitimate” target.
Makes a lot of sense that the IDF are the same people largely training cops in the US. Conflicting logic and orders so no matter what they get to shoot.
If you refuse to tell us you're Hamas, we'll be forced to murder your family.
If you tell us your Hamas, we'll be obligated to murder your family.
Totally different scenarios.
Genociders gonna genocide.
Boy. Im so happy that religious nut bags are using my tax dollars to kill children. /s
Honestly, if there is a hell. A lot of the American Christians are going to burn in it.
There isn't. The only hell they'll ever see is the one we create.
"There's no such thing as hell, but you can make it if you try."
That's the point.
I sorta get it, but sorta don’t… and I’m proud of that. I’m glad I’m not a torturer (or official) who can seamlessly rationalize cruelty.
I don't understand the point of that, honestly. Torturing someone (thus punishing them regardless) into confessing, coaxing a confession out of someone making the confession itself highly incredulous. What's the point?
Thanks for all the replies, guys! I appreciate the responses but at the same time I'm now even more depressed. 😬
The point is the cruelty.
To push them into breaking so when you kill them you can say that the torture is justified.
Hamas is an excuse, the genocide will happen regardless
many reaons. two I can think of
1- either killing or terrorising/traumatizing everyone so that they leave their country so that settlers can overtake more easily
2- creating international casus belli for bombing hospitals
Because it’s a genocide.
If he confesses they’re justified because “he was totally hamas” if he holds out they’re justified because “he’s a highly trained hamas agent”.
The point is cruely and supremacy. Everyone knows torture doesn't work when it comes to extracting information, even the Nazis knew that much. What they want is to instill fear and terror into every Palestinian, in an attempt to bring the entire population into despair and cripple the resistance. That's why the IDF routinely kidnaps Palestinians, including children, without any evidence or fair trial, to incarcerate them indefinitely in torture prisons that are more inhumane than we can possibly imagine.
Palestinian Prisoners in Israeli Prisons
Palestinians are jailed without charge, forced into false confessions, routinely tortured, raped, denied medical attention, and some even killed as a result. This includes hundreds of children.
Palestinians denied civil rights (HRW) including Military Court (B'TSelem)
Palestinian Prisoners in Israel (wiki)
Children are jailed and abused in Israeli prisons (Save The Children)
Torture and Abuse in Interrogations (B'TSelem)
Thousands of Palestinians are held without charge under Israeli detention policy (NPR)
The point is they need to make terrorists to justify self defense to make more terrorists to take more land.
Confess -> got a video of a "Hamas member" who works in the medical field confessing to whatever you want.
Doesn't confess -> torture him to death and don't share the story or simply increase the count of "Hamas militants" killed that you'll show later to journalists and other governments.
The BBC and New York times will publish the confession uncritically to manufacture consent for Israel torturing doctors.
The point is to kill and torture these people. Calling them terrorists is a tried and true tactic.
They will call him Hamas whether he confesses or not and then say they killed another Hamas terrorist.
Why torture though? Just kill him if that's the point.
Torture is for the pleasure of the torturer (and possibly those ordering it). As a secondary impact, it may terrorize a populace. It serves no other purpose.
Cruelty is the point
Because they're sadistic fucks