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Hey fellow humans,

I just recently discovered Lemmy. I had an understanding of the general existence of the "Fediverse" for some time, but never gave it much thought. Over the past months or so I read a lot on Reddit and by shear accident discovered Lemmy during that time, as a more federated, free alternative to big-corp Reddit.

Do not get me wrong. I am not per se opposed to big corporations. I am a bit more critical with those corporations that are mainly involved with information and data processing, so basically big-tech.

Now here I am, freshly registered to a german instance and I wanted to share my first impressions of Lemmy or the "Lemmy network".

First off, Lemmy seems great. It has a nice and clean UI and its easy to understand.

But, tbh I already had a bad feeling when it came to choosing an instance to register to. Will I be basically at the mercy of whoever runs that server (with what I am allowed to say at least locally)? What happens when that person or group decides to shut down the server over night? Will my account still be valid elsewhere? How does this work?

One could argue, well what happens when Reddit turns off their website; And of course on Reddit I am also at the mercy of moderators; From a single user perspective there always seems to be the single point of failure in both alternatives. But from my experience, "money makes the world go round", meaning: If there is a legitimate business case it is more likely that such a website or instance will stay online, whereas a lonesome enthusiast will likely loose interest after a while. And then its all gone (at least for that instance)? Is Lemmy than a sub-optimal Reddit alternative?

After registration I noticed something additionally "disturbing". There seems to be a big divide in the Lemmy community, as the instances are free to block certain instances. And I read here, about how big this problem apparently is. Hence, it is not about a big blocklist for unwanted instances, it is also about general focus of conversations across instances.

In fact, this puts me again at the mercy of any instance administrator what I am allowed to see or interact with. Is that not a contradiction of a rather free and open network? It appears anti-liberal in some sense. And a liberal digital society is what we would all strive for, I guess?

Ultimately, this would mean I would have to run my own instance to avoid the risk attached to this situation. But the extreme case of that would be that we are all running our own instances. That does not make sense at all. Then everyone runs and instance and we are all more or less blocking each other.

I guess there is no clean way of doing this? And in the end platforms like Lemmy are always formed by the people who drive them. Hence, personal opinions will always play a role.

But I think a liberal real life society goes to show how things should be: There are rules, but freedom of speech is very much emphasized. For me ideal communication involves that everyone can speak their mind. But then, there are certainly somewhere limits.

I am all against safe spaces, but I am pretty much for respectfulness, indulgence, fairness and constructive dispute. I do not fear any argument that is told in the pursuit of having an honest conversation, an exchange of arguments and ideas.

I would even say, when we are hindering ourselves of having this kind of honest dispute, we are loosing our developed societies.

On the other hand (like in the real world) simply insulting people should not be tolerated.

So, I wonder, is this place actually for me, apparently as a rather liberal person?

Is Lemmy liberal enough from your perspective?

Do you have insights or answers with regards to my questions or blind spots?

Thank you in advance and see you around!

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)
  • On certain parts of the tchncs infra, an emergency-co-admin already got access, I should prioritize this more so that it also counts for the host lemmy runs on. Other than that, unless something happens to me, there will not be any surprise shutdown of service. In the highly unlikely event of a planned shutdown, there will be at the very very least half a year time for users to move to other instances.
    • The donation situation for tchncs is ... fine, at least for securing cost coverage excluding my time. If cost cutting is required (which luckily has not happened yet), I of course try to prioritize on actively used services and try saving on services that are wasteful in terms of user/needed resource ratio. Something like peertube perhaps where terrabytes of video only get a handful of views.
  • Only instances that seem dedicated to lawbreaking/extensive rulebreaking content or unmoderated instances overrun by bots will be blocked. And ideally only if there is too much or risk of too much exposure to our instance, causing too much moderation effort required. There will not be an instance block against instances where I dislike people or similar (there are quite sensible admins in the network tho that would act like that or similar, sadly). If we have an instance on the list, that does not seem to belong there, I am open for reconsideration.

And note: I keep trying to do whats best for the community. I am always open for ideas and opinions. :) If i don't respond to something, it is very likely that I once again failed to manage my inbox and tasks. πŸ˜…

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As a tchncs user: this is very much how I experienced it here, from all I can see Milan is a very nice, engaged and liberal admin always acting in good faith. Although prioritiesing the "bus faktor" (what happens to the service if the one person in charge gets run over by a bus) is never a bad idea.

Also he even helped me when I had syncing issues with my pixelfed account, no questions asked (although my friends on pixelfed.de still don't see when I post or comment)

The fediverse is new and there are some kinks that still need to be ironed out, but in general its already a way better experience then reddit IMHO

For the "there are multiple communities on the same topic on different instances":

I actually see this as a positive thing. On reddit there were Admins who notoriously banned everyone not agreeing with them (like some in the DACH community for example) who just got a lot of power because they happend to be there early and founded that community.

If stuff like this happens here, other people can make another community with the same name but with a different moderation approach.

For us users this is a positive thing, one can just subscribe to both and post to the one one likes best.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

thank you for doing the work to offer these services :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

But from my experience, β€œmoney makes the world go round”, meaning: If there is a legitimate business case it is more likely that such a website or instance will stay online, whereas a lonesome enthusiast will likely loose interest after a while. And then its all gone (at least for that instance)?

Thanks one of the biggest strengths of the Fediverse. One instance dies for one reason or another, but the whole thing is impossible to kill, because it is not hosted by one single point of failure (like reddit).

I had the same concerns, but then I realized I just... can make another account if that happens, on a different instance. I tried to pick one which is hosted by someone who has a track record of keeping stuff online for a long time, but if Milan ever decides to shut it down, it will be a very sad day but in the end... it's not a very big deal. There will be others, and the Fediverse will still be alive.

Same goes for your concerns about visibility and banning. There are all kind of instances out there. Pick one which fits your needs. For some people this is a very restricted space, some want to see ALL.

Centralization is of course easy because everything is done and decided at the same place, but in the end, every centralized service is doomed to fail at some point. Have fun here. :) Keep an open mind for the concept of the Fediverse and you will be fine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That's why I'm in favor of setting up community-owned (Verein in german, club in english) instances.

Libraries/universities might also take on that task, as they already have the duty to store, process, and distribute information for the benefit of all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Hello, and welcome to our big tangled pile of communities. I think you'll fit in just fine.

You don't have to worry too much about any one instance going down. Yes, it happens. Lemmy.fmhy.ml got their domain seized by the government of Mali. Kbin.social was abandoned by its admins and just disappeared one day. Hexbear forgot to renew their domain. They're gone, but their users' posts and comments remain visible because other instances still have their copies of those posts. Those users probably just registered new accounts on other instances and kept right on chatting.

I'm actually an Mbin user and I'm considering getting a Lemmy account on this instance. You don't have to worry about it, but I'm trying to figure these out:

  1. Does Tchncs have any of those cool third party Lemmy front ends like Photon?
  2. I want to use Tchncs Lemmy, Sharkey, Peertube , Matrix, and Minetest. Do I need to register accounts in all those places separately, or does one Tchncs account work for multiple services?
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
  1. If you convince me that people would actually use these frontends, then yes, i'll add them. ;)
  2. Yes, as not all software supports SSO via oauth/saml, it is not an option everywhere. (yes, i know, a few are doing so in the meantime and i should reevaluate) – thats because its not just frontends to the network in this case, sadly
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

Probably the Admin of this instance holds all the answers :) would be nice to know, indeed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But from my experience, "money makes the world go round",

Indeed but while it might ensure reddit will stay up for certain, it also ensures the service will keep enshittificying with ads and dark patterns while non-centrist opinions are more and more silently pruned. Both of these are happening at accelerating rates.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

Yes, its absolutely biased and being influenced by revenue or stock value increasing algorithms, true.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What happens when that person or group decides to shut down the server over night?

That's a risk with any service: it could be shut down. It happened to Fark, Geocities, etc.

In theory, the entire Lemmy network is more resilient, because even if individual instances go down, the network remains.

There seems to be a big divide in the Lemmy community, as the instances are free to block certain instances. And I read here, about how big this problem apparently is.

Eh. I don't think it's that big a deal in practice. If you want to see what you're missing out on, browse the block list of your instance and create an account on the blocked nodes.

I doubt you'll find new ideas, so much as familiar ideas shouted loudly.

For me ideal communication involves that everyone can speak their mind. ... Is Lemmy liberal enough from your perspective?

Lemmy is relatively left leaning. Folks expressing conservative views tend to get downvoted.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Folk expressing conservatives views get banned from a lot of instances. I have [email protected] and had to move it to that instance cos their where people being silenced for expressing conservative views by the admin. Fortunately the fediverse is such that their is always another instance with different rules.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

people being silenced for expressing conservative views by the admin

That's not a healthy state of affairs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Look at it this way: You're allowed to express yourself in any way you want, but other people are also allowed to avoid you and what you say and are not required to provide you a platform to do so.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Its probably one of the pressing issues of our time, reverting to a societal state where discussed opinions range from left to right, and we actually stop randomly screaming at each other, but listen and discuss.

Imho the left is a Bit more aggressive in silencing otherwise legitimate but opposing positions. And that needs to be different in an liberal society.

Again there are limits, but they certainly need to be quite far away when we are talking about β€žfree speechβ€œ.

Btw for me free speech does not mean that it should be allowed to conduct hate campaigns against individuals or such.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I have a few accounts across different instances for insurance, but aside from being banned from certain well known highly ideological/echo chamber-y communities, I talk a lot of shit and am largely left to my own devices.

There's never going to be a perfect solution to your concerns, but I can't get away with being me on Reddit these days so, fuck it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Refreshing pragmatism. Thx for that :) I will consider your idea with the accounts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

This be the lemmy way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

I think of a Lemmy account on an instance the same as an email address: it doesn't really matter which one you pick. Pick one that works best for you. Yes, you are beholden to the instance, but it's the same with Gmail, Outlook, GMX, etc. They can close your account at any time, but they likely won't.

Of course it does matter a bit what instance you pick: you want one that is well-federated with other communities that will have content/users you will enjoy engaging with. I'm pretty sure you can visit a list on each instance that shows what instances it is federated with.