“If you think we should do it let’s go. I just hate bailing Europe out again,” Vance replied. Hegseth agreed that “I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC.” But, he added, “we are the only ones on the planet (on our side of the ledger) who can do this.”

Miller, the Trump confidant, effectively ended the conversation by saying that the president had been clear. “Green light, but we soon make clear to Egypt and Europe what we expect in return.”

Edit: The texts are released to public

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[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Wait THIS WAS A SIGNAL CHAT????!!! Fuck

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 72 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

What’s incredible is the extent kool aid is being drunk.

It’s easy to imagine the admin's distaste of Europe being largely theatre for self serving purposes, but no, they really look down on Europe. They really view a purely transactional, begrudging relationship as desirable, like old allies are just filthy liberals.

…I guess this is another Nazi parallel. Where some parties/groups thought the antisemitism was partially for show.

But also, that is bonkers. Disconnecting from Europe will devastate the US, just to start. The Nazis were at least coldly pragmatic, but it feels like ideology has completely detached much of our country from reality, and it goes down the whole stack.

[–] Clasm@ttrpg.network 16 points 2 weeks ago

Disconnecting from Europe will devastate the US, just to start.

This has been the goal from the start.

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 33 points 2 weeks ago

The arrogance is astounding.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 weeks ago

That's ok. We hate your current regime as well.

Sincerely,

Europe

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 30 points 2 weeks ago

That's extremely concerning and should be taken at face value. And that's what leaked, imagine what they manage to keep private.

They will use everything they have against us. I really hope European leaders and the European commission see this for what it is and act accordingly.

We need complete and definitive independence from the US, even if the next president is a democrat (if there are next presidents even).

[–] Damage@feddit.it 81 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

“I think we are making a mistake,” wrote Vance, adding that while only 3% of US trade goes through the Suez canal, 40% of European trade does. “There is a real risk that the public doesn’t understand this or why it’s necessary,” he added. “The strongest reason to do this is, as [Trump] said, to send a message."
Vance was contending that once again the United States is doing what Europe should be.

Houthis wouldn't be attacking ships if it weren't for the US' meddling in the Middle East.

Waltz, a foreign policy traditionalist, said: “It will have to be the United States that reopens these shipping lanes.” But he agreed that the administration sought to “compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans”.

Maybe we should levy on the US the costs of the multiple refugee crises they have caused in our neighborhood

[–] nuko147@lemm.ee 37 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

It's Europeans fault too. For too long we followed the same line with USA on the middle east crisis, and many have no problem with the genocide that is on the work there. The neighbourhood of Europe (and now even part of it) is unstable from poverty and war, and we were fine with that.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Article 5 proved to be a bit of a trap card, because that's the reason Europe was dragged into the post 9/11 middle eastern wars, but I guess European NATO countries could've just ignored it or whatever.

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[–] Melchior@feddit.org 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Most of the issues really have been created by Europe. Jewish settlement was supported by the British for a long time. Not creating a Kurdish state was also a massive mistake, which has a good chance of leading to a genocide in Syria right now. Sudan was drawn up by the Brits and that mess has been in civil war for ages. Not to mention Germany with the Holocaust, forcing millions of Jews to the Palastine.

That is not to say the US is perfect, but especially the UK and France really created a lot of the fault lines.

[–] nuko147@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Colonial attitudes never really went away. Not gonna play the victim here - we’re not innocent, and yeah, the U.S. screwed us over. But in the last 30-35 years, we’ve had plenty of time to fix things and create stability. But nope, war and stealing resources make more money for the powers than peace ever could.

Now everyone’s low-key prepping for WW3. Not just Europe’s military spending, but the creepiest part? People are kinda accepting in their guts that it’s gonna happen by 2030.

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[–] rraggl@mastodon.nl 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

@nuko147 @Damage Bullshit... The Americans were the first ones to kick the anthill... Yes, you could blame us for standing by and watching them do it and sometimes even helping, but that's what you do when your (back then) friend asks you for help.

[–] nuko147@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago

There are no friends between countries. Only allies and benefits. You don't shoot your legs for an ally. Help is another thing. We were supposed to be allies, but the USA überall is their new motto.

Fucking up Libya, destroying Yugoslavia, maintaining a chaos in Palestine - Israel, help invade Iraq with lies, cut ties with Russia and let Ukraine to get invaded are not things you do even for friends.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Everyone has a moral obligation to decline immoral orders let alone immoral requests. "Just following orders" doesn't cut it.

[–] rraggl@mastodon.nl -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

@Reddfugee42 Who said anything about that? The world isn't black & white you know? As much as it would simplify things, life isn't simple and never will be. Good things were done during that alliance as well as bad things. I was just pointing out who started it.

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[–] Damage@feddit.it 1 points 2 weeks ago

You mean when your boss tells you to. Western Europe was colonized after WW2, not to the same dire consequences of the Warsaw pact, but we clearly were subordinate to the US.

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 54 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

„We’re going to bomb Yemen and europe will pay for it”

[–] rraggl@mastodon.nl 22 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

@riodoro1 @Damage Have you said "Thank you!" even once?

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Must’ve happened at some point, but now that you’re asking I can’t be sure.

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[–] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 81 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Trump and his lackeys are showing the classic signs of fascism.

"...and in traditional Nazi fashion; one never attributes one's losses to oneself."

Why Do War Thunder Players Leak Classified Information?

Trump: "We Americans subsidize Canada for everything."

Starts Needless Trade War

Trade war ensues, egg prices skyrockets due to bird-flu in combination with the self-induced trade war

Trump: hey Europeans can yall please spare some eggs?

and now for some reason they say they hate "bailing Europe out again"🤣🤣🤣

Edit:
Breaking news! I found an insider picture to the current White House:

[–] Perhapsjustsniffit@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 weeks ago

Shit. Now they're leaking images too?!

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