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From the Article:

“If you think we should do it let’s go. I just hate bailing Europe out again,” Vance replied. Hegseth agreed that “I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC.” But, he added, “we are the only ones on the planet (on our side of the ledger) who can do this.”

Miller, the Trump confidant, effectively ended the conversation by saying that the president had been clear. “Green light, but we soon make clear to Egypt and Europe what we expect in return.”

Edit: The texts are released to public

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

The trump regime, and now by extension the US, is rotten and evil to the core.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

American exceptionalism and arrogance on full display. They're #1, and everyone else sucks. We can't even wipe our arses without the guiding hand of the great bald eagle, they saved our arses in WWII and are responsible for taking care of everything ever in human history

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Houthis are not attacking European ships. They are enforcing a blockade on Israeli ships in protest of Gaza politic of starvation and more recently US ships due to US bombardments.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

That's what they claim, but really they just attack any ship.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

They're attacking ships with any link to Israel, any ships mistakenly believed to have any link to Israel, any ships that might have links to Israel, and any ships that go by while they're bored

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Aren't they tho?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

I don't like that they use the word freeloading. It doesn't seem right...

If anything, Europe could be piggybacking on the Trump administration. Cause they are little fascist pigs ⎝˵ ͠° (●●) °͠ ˵ ⎠

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This would be a great moment to remind conservatives as well as everyone in general that the United States has been the only ally that has invoked Article 5 of NATO.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And even that shitshow was sketchy asf. I'm not saying it was an inside job but like, it seems like they took advantage of the tragedy to the fullest extent.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They used it to invade countries that had nothing to do with 9/11, while the the Saudis keep being protected.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Not sure why they forget this as they try to pretend they are better than everyone else...

It's a joke at this point.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

ooooh when captain america throws his mighty shield~

he surely expects some form of return

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

All those who oppose the shield must yield! UNLESS YOU'RE A PLANE OR A BOMB OR SOME ICE!

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The problem is these dipshits don't understand what soft power is. We get a ton in return for our investment. USD is the reserve currency of the world(for now). We get trade deals, we get cheaper goods, we get allies that when we invoked article 5 they showed the fuck up...yet here's these braindead fucks who think this is somehow making us look strong by telling everyone we need something in return....we already get something in return you smooth brained cock wagons.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And the US gets to sell their weapons to allies. This acts as a subsidy on the development of new weapons systems, and prevents possible competitors from developing theirs. It is easier to win a war when your opponent cant make any weapons, or cant scale their weapon making fast enough.

It also provides an ever present treat to Europe: All those US bases scattered over the European continent are a reminder that Europe is free to choose their own political path, as long as they don't deviate much from what Washington approves.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yea that's another good point...and honestly if all our allies stop buying our shit, the military manufacturing here in the US is going to suffer heavily....wonder how happy they will be when the checks stop coming in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They'll probably just switch investments into private prisons...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Money isn't worth shit if the reserve currency of the world isn't worth anything. These companies will fuck right off to the next super power without batting an eye, and they'll take all their tech with them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

i think your point also adds up to how they view power: zero empathy, only chest hair moves are allowed.

there's exceptions but only if backed by gold.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

How is it possible to "accidentally" add a reporter from the Atlantic magazine to a Signal group chat? You can't tell me this wasn't deliberate. Imho it was deliberately leaked by someone in the administration who wants to drive a wedge between the transatlantic partnership. Beneficiaries: Russia, China. Just like Vance's hissy fit with Zelensky and his speech on Munich security conferences were all deliberately staged stunts. Vance is probably getting paid by Russia to do this.

Btw. 60% of maritime EU-China trade goes over the Suez canal, so China is also a huge beneficiary of keeping the canal open, yet China contributed absolutely nothing to keep it open, so why didn't Vance and Hegseth call China a "freeloader"?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Btw. 60% of maritime EU-China trade goes over the Suez canal, so China is also a huge beneficiary of keeping the canal open, yet China contributed absolutely nothing to keep it open, so why didn’t Vance and Hegseth call China a “freeloader”?

China has a deal with the Houthis so they do not attack Chinese ships.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

China has a deal with the Houthis so they do not attack Chinese ships.

Source?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

How is it possible to "accidentally" add a reporter from the Atlantic magazine to a Signal group chat? You can't tell me this wasn't deliberate.

It's doable if you're grossly and utterly incompetent while also being convinced that you're the smartest bunch of people on earth (so mistakes are impossible).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Btw. 60% of maritime EU-China trade goes over the Suez canal, so China is also a huge beneficiary of keeping the canal open, yet China contributed absolutely nothing to keep it open, so why didn’t Vance and Hegseth call China a “freeloader”?

Because you can not charge an enemy as freeloader, accusing him of doing nothing to save his trade. If he is doing nothing and he is an enemy, why are you helping him then? The big picture is sending a message to Iran, they do not give a fuck about the trade, its only an excuse to send us the bill.

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