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Germany is at a crossroads when it comes to its security policy — one of the deepest upheavals of the post-War era.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Didn't they just close down all their nuclear power plants because they're too dangerous after Fukushima?

Building nuclear bombs doesn't seem like the next logical step.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You don't have to cool them. Freeer choice of location. I imagine a static good is much easier to safeguard and check.

Most of all, there's cheaper alternatives without a lot of surrounding questions. That's not the case for military deterrent.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

First off. Way to make sure everyone “doesn’t look up” re climate emergency. There’s no amount of nukes we can build that are more powerful and can be secured enough against nature’s planned devastation in the next 30 years. But for some reason all this war talk shit is just a welcome distraction.

Second. This is the same like all these governments asking Apple and Signal to build backdoors. Once you have a backdoor, it doesn’t discriminate who passes through it. Build all the nukes you want, all European governments will slide towards trumpism in the next 10 years anyway, as European politics seems to copy USA and is more and more infiltrated by foreign powers (also just like USA). I’m sure all the mini-me Aldofs, Elons and Donalds will appreciate a freshly build slab of nukes to establish their tyranny.

Boy are we stupid. Just smart enough to know we’re a bunch of clothed idiots.

Tldr use a condom

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Tldr use a condom

Instructions unclear, nuclear device now stuck inside condom.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yep. Quick vapid internet comments that are a repeat of the same meme from the last 15 years is pretty much all we have left.

You’ve got one lucky wife.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Too expensive for the little benefit. Turkey for example has none, but one of the bigger armies in the Mediterranean and can still project power.

I'd also recommend to talk to Poland and France about this first, if only for historic reasons.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

An EU nuclear weapons programme would be by far preferable, but that requires a common EU foreign and defence policy.

Not having any nukes won't work with the current state of affairs, except for enjoyers of being on the receiving end of nuclear blackmail by an orange muppet, his puppeteer in Moscow, and Winnie the Pooh.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Those "German" nukes are a handful of US nukes for use by Germany under NATO's nuclear sharing policy, when approved by the US. With that orange muppet in the White House, Germany really hasn't any nukes it can count on, especially not for deterrence against the orange muppet's puppeteer in Moscow.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

As if they even need to use them...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

What does that have to do with the claim that they have nukes?

If they can't use them or only conditionally use them then they don't really have them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The point of nuclear weapons is to have them to never have to use them, by scaring the shit out of potential enemies, so they don't even dare to attack.

But in order for the weapons to be a credible threat, and therefore a deterrent, their use must be possible.

Nukes that need authorisation by Donald Trump won't deter Vladimir Putin.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Nuclear sharing is the worst of both worlds. You make yourself a certain target, but you cannot exercise control over the weapons. It's turning MAD into SAD (self assured destruction)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Doubtful, given Trump's displayed reluctance to honour a defence treaty.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They just had an election where the second most popular party was an extreme-right-wing pack of lunatics. What happens when they win the next election?

You cannot afford to have nuclear weapons when you can't be sure who's going to have control of them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

If Putin and the USA already have them, isn't that hypothetical too far off when assessing risk?

There's a strong counter movement to the right. I'd rather have a strong deterrent against Putin than not. It's pretty obvious to me what the more immediate and more realistic risk is.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 days ago

Germany has a really high chance of having a fascist party in government in four years. So the answer is a fucking resounding NO.

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