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Anyway, here are terminal commands you don't understand. (discuss.tchncs.de)

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I have no idea what this mean is even trying to say, but as someone who is trying to make the switch to Linux, it is a steep learning curve, even for the most "user-friendly" distros.

A lot of the information in forums assumes some sort of basic knowledge of code and processes which aren't readily available. I've asked a few noob questions and while there are some helpful people out there, there are also a fuck load of assholes who seem to think they walked out the womb speaking Ubuntu.

So my message to those people is, if you're not gonna be helpful, kindly keep your snide comments to yourself.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If gou have an issue shoot me a message, I can't guarantee anything but i'll try to help

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Shoot me a message too. I don't know anything about Linux but I'm lonely.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If you're getting coding advice, you might be on the wrong forums, which can explain the snark.
You don't need to do code to use Linux. You can use Bash if you want, but it's not a necessity

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You can use Bash if you want, but it's not a necessity

I would argue and say at minimum you should be comfortable with Bash and the file system , otherwise if you spend a year running Linux and encounter some obscure error you’ll be totally clueless troubleshooting wise and might end up breaking something else.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Too many people expect you to know and understand gnu-utils and all the common config file, filesystem and folder structure paradigms though. Which is the problem.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago

The problem is that Linux nerds, myself included, are too deep in the knowledge to even think of sth. You might not know. And my way to learn the basics of Linux was breaking 3 installations and running random scripts from stack overflow without really knowing what they do.

I don't want this the way for new people to learn Linux. There must be a better way. But I don't know which one. People who think you can't ask questions because your basics are missing should shut the fuck up and go to 4chan or so.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I can confirm this. I've been using Linux for around two years at this point and having a Linux-using friend made the transition at the start way easier. Now I'm the Linux-using friend for all of my Linux-curious friends and it's great.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Copypasting a term command vs. 20 pages of "click here, now click there". Which is more efficient?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Definitely the command. CLI commands are simple and portable. Asking the user what DE they are using for an extra round trip and then making a description of the pointy-clicky-ceremony has way to much friction.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

Why does it have to be one or the other?

I, as someone who spends so much time in the terminal that I literally have a dedicated key to open it, would prefer a single CLI command. My grandma, who thinks the monitor is the entire computer, would do better with the "inefficient" GUI option

There can be more than one correct way to do something

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (7 children)

The one enabling people to understand and use their devices on their own. Once you can use a mouse or touchpad, you can navigate the UI. Good UI/UX conveys function. Checkboxes insert the correct configuration in the background without possibly hazardous typos.

The CLI does nothing of this for the user, to understand it users have to invest tens, if not hundreds of hours before they get a hang of all essential commands, paradigms and tools to help themselves. They have to become IT intermediates just to use their computers.

By providing a single CLI command (which, in the worst case, gets copied by a third user on an incompatible system configuration breaking everything) instead of pointing at the GUI tools most user-friendly distros already provide you do, in many cases, a disservice to the average user who just wants their problem to be fixed. They will not be able to help themselves next time for a similar issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Back in the day, I learned how to network winxp machines together, without a router, and without being able access the internet to find instructions, all because everything I needed to know about any given setting was in the gui where I could manipulate that setting. I had lan parties featuring dozens of pcs, all manually configured. Was this the correct way to do things? Fuck no, but it worked. I was able to make it work because I could see everything I needed to as I was doing it.

None of the above would have been possible if CLI was the only option.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Here is some :- :(){ :|:& };: Please don't try this at home.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

It shouldn't do anything on a properly configured system (so most systems are screwed)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I suppose I can try this at root.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Do it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

A lot of things are easier to do even for experts with gui, as you might need to type 30 lines for what you could do in 1-2 clicks

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In the 15 years of me using Linux as my main system both for work and for fun, I have never experienced this situation. Never. I seriously don't know what you guys doing that not only requires you to type 30 lines of commands - insane amount of commands, you can setup a complicated server from scratch with this amount if commands - that can also be accomplished with two clicks.
Give me at least couple of examples, I'm very curious

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't know if this applies but I did the switch to Linux a coupls weeks ago (To Linux Mint, because beginner friendly).

I'm curious with tech stuff but I'm not tech savvy in any way shape or form.

Thing is, the in way to connect to my Google drive sucked hard. On windows I would install the program and be able to access it like any drive. On Mint there is a GUI way to connect to your Google account, but it is so slow that it took a PDF solid 2 minutes to load each page. So no way to work with that.

So I needed a solution, which I found by installing rclone and setting it up.

That was a stupid amount of work and command lines I realy did not understand at all (this was my time using the console).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Well there is insync, but it costs money. I'd just stick to rclone.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

If a GUI can be built which accomplished something in 1-2 clicks, then there's very likely a CLI which can do the same with 1-2 commands, as CLIs are easier to implement than GUIs...

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't understand this post. OP mad the free support not up to their standards?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Since the standard is: "Don't be assholes" I think thats quite allright :-)

[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 days ago (3 children)

What are these "solutions" you speak of? All help forum posts must follow this format:

"I want to do x."

"Why would you want to do x? Don't do x.".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Closed as Duplicate.

(the post pointed to as the original is a post from 2013 deleted in 2018)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I want to shoot myself in the foot

Why would you want to do that? Don't do that?

Why are people so rude to me? I asked a question and they won't answer it. The Linux community sucks

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I want to make a sandwitch and I know I can do this by shooting myself in the foot, no i don't care this is bad practice just tell me how to make it work.

doesn't tell them how to make it work, does not give enough instructions to make it work the "right" way

installs windows again

The Linux Community does suck...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah it sucks.

If I wanna shoot myself, let me shoot myself. Maybe I'm into that. Who are you to judge whats good for me?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

If you so desperately want to shoot yourself in the foot, put some effort into it and figure it out instead of asking strangers on the internet for free advice because you're lazy. Not everyone is into enabling people mutilating their bodies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Why would you want to shoot yourself? Don’t do x.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"easier solutions"

No: pet solutions. Don't let false consensus dictate the wrong labels.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

pet solutions

I've never heard this term before. My searches online aren't bringing up anything useful, it's all stuff about literal pets. I can't seem to wrap my mind around what it could mean or the right thing to search to find the answer. Could someone explain please?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It's an expression coined by Corsican Guppy in the mid 2020s, referring to a solution to a Linux/Unix problem that uses a Graphic User Interface, as opposed to one using the command line.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (3 children)

That sounds awfully derogative towards the average user.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

I hear the average small freshwater fish from a Mediterranean island feels nothing but scorn towards the average user.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I think it's just a Name for some specific containers on Linux.

Im confident OP is using it wrong. Well, as confident as one can be that had heard the word the first time today.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

I'm confused by this comment

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