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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

I am failing to see the interest in having tons of IOT devices to manage, connect, segment, etc… Why would someone want to do it? To be clear, I have friends deep in it but… I still don’t understand. Can anyone try to explain the magic I am failing to see?

Edit: Thank you all for sharing your experiences! The ones I found more interesting are those that can easily translate in reducing or tracking consumption. The rest I hear but makes more sense when I look at it from an hobbyist perspective.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I suppose it can make your life easier after the initial setup.
If you got the resources to set it up.

Imagine a small cute robo friend vacuuming instead of yourself doing it!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

I have ADHD. It's easy for me to forget something in my routine. So I've set up many of my routines to be automatic or controlled with a single voice command.

When I wake up to my alarms, my lights start turning on gradually at a dimmer setting and blue. Then they turn white at full brightness to really wake me when it's time. When I leave for work, I simply say "I'm leaving" and my lights all set themselves appropriately. I even have certain things like space heaters on a smart switch and they automatically turn off when I'm not home in case I forgot to manually shut them off.

Then when I get home, instead of needing to hit a bunch of switches for all of my various lights, I simply say "I'm home" and in 15 seconds everything does for me what would have taken me 5 minutes manually. By the time I have my shoes off, my house is already ready for me.

When I go to bed, it's the same. A simple "goodnight" turns my TV off, turns my fan up, and turns the lights off, all with me not having to get out of bed.

When I do laundry, my phone gets a notification when things are done. I'm able to plan my cycles more efficiently and do things like run an errand and be able to be back just in time to swap loads. When there's an error, instead of "E43" or some nonsense on the screen that I need to lookup and is still vague, I get a notification in the app that says "Error: Washer unbalanced. Please check load and restart" and actually helps me.

If a fire alarm goes off in my house and I'm not home, my security cameras will pick up the noise of the alarm and send an urgent push notification to my phone. I can check in and see if someone just burnt food or if there is an actual emergency.

I could go on. I'll admit that being tied to google/Amazon isn't ideal and you should use something like HomeAssistant instead so you have complete control. It's just a steeper learning curve, is all. But regardless, you want a home from The Jetsons? It's already here. Not perfect mind you, but in large parts it's already obtainable and really not that expensive. Just swap a bulb/switch here and there.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Please be sure to check that the smart switches you have space heaters plugged into are rated for that many amps.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

My home automation setup includes:

  • Texting me and/or my wife whenever the washer or dryer in the basement finishes a load of laundry, but only if we’re home. If neither is home then it waits until one of us is and only texts that person.

  • Turns on exterior / driveway lights when one of us arrives home after dark.

  • Turns off exterior / driveway lights when we have both left home.

  • Sets our Ecobee thermostats to “away” when we have both left home, and to “home” when somebody arrives home.

I also have a “bedtime” button that ensures all lights are off, thermostats are set to their “sleep” profile, and doors are locked.

Those are the nicer things we use pretty much daily. We have others as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I am starting with home automation and I am always fascinated by some of the idea I read on the Internet. Did you come up with this yourself or is there a list of conditions and triggers with devices somewhere I can use with Home Assistant?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How do you do the "both away or home"?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

If they're using Home Assistant then it's pretty straightforward. You can either have the devices report back their location and update based on a Geofence or you can check and see if everyone's on the wifi or not

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I prefer to do things properly once rather than do it again every day.

For example, I have an automation that I can trigger from my phone with a single button that does all these things:

  • Lowers all my blinds in the living room
  • Turns on all lights in the living room and dims them a little bit
  • Powers up the smart plugs for my projector, receiver and player(s)
  • Sets the correct volume and source on the receiver
  • Starts playing random music in my living room

The alternative would be to do each of these steps manually, every day I get home. I'm lazy, probably wouldn't do it all or just leave stuff running.

IoT devices (the non-shitty ones that don't connect to the internet) become useful together when they are automated.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Unpopular opinion: home automation is overblown. Except for the disabled or edge cases the convenience these solutions add are comparable to the inconvenience they bring (added expensive, harder to maintain, repair, replace, etc).

I'll get out of bed to turn off the lights.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Ironically, IKEA of all companies has done it right. Their smart lighting is price comparable to dumb lighting, and works out of the box. Even pairing an additional bulb to an older controller is fairly painless.

Under the hood, however, they are using ZigBee. This means they are cross compatible. You're not locked into their ecosystem.

Basically, you can have something as simple as a drop in lamp bulb, that can be turned off or on with a little remote. If you want more capabilities, it will scale with your desires, including playing nicely with other brands.

Most heavily advertised home automation is a steaming pile of shit. It's mostly to try and lock you into their ecosystem and either sell your data, or show you adverts. Hobbyists can go DEEP. There is a useful middle ground however. It just gets quite buried in the noise.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

A different take from a different person.

Accessibility for my disabilities, able to have the lights turned down when I have a migraine and can't get up because of pain, as well as reminders and timers with just my voice. Automation helps with my disabilities too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Seems like a fun hobby. They might say it's about productivity or something, but that kind of talk is just part of the hobby.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

For me, things were pretty easy/quick to set up, and the benefit? Lower electric bills. More convenience.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In short, enlightened laziness.

I can turn the bedroom lights on and off, from my bed.

I can turn the bathroom light off, after my young daughter left it on, in the middle of the night.

My livingroom lights colour shift, to keep my family's sleep cycle in vague check.

I can turn my heating down room by room, if it's not needed. Conversely, I can preheat the house, on the way home.

While the setup took a bit of prep work, it's now highly reliable, and makes my life a lot easier.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Agreed, a little home automation can be nice. I like being able to turn my lights weird colours on a whim, it's pretty. With the exception of edge cases and people who have a disability I really don't understand smart large appliances and smart locks. I really hope there's a reliable smart lock for them and people in the edge cases. I haven't looked into it at all so I'll just leave it there.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately, a lot of appliances have jumped on the IoT bandwagon, but have missed the wood for the trees. They all want you to use their own proprietary app to control it. This cripples the biggest advantage of IoT, synergies.

A tumble dryer that you can turn on and off from an app is fairly useless. A tumble dryer that can sync its load with the other appliances, and the current solar panel output is a different story. Even with simpler setups there are synergies. Having a light pulse when the washing is done could be extremely useful to some people. Particularly if the appliance is in another part of the house.

As for smart locks... The less said about them, the better. Unfortunately, the "S" in IoT stands for security. That's fine for a lightbulb etc, but not for a critical door lock. It's frustrating. I would love a decent smart, well made, door lock, with a viable open protocol. They just don't exist yet.

As for why a smart lock would be good? Dynamic access control. With a normal lock, if you give someone a key, they have full access, whenever. They can also copy your key, and so taking it back isn't always reliable. A smart lock lets you authorise and de-authorise people on the fly. E.g. it works normally for you, but your mother in law's login (keycard, dongle, app, fingerprint etc) sets off a warning on your phone. You might also want to let a delivery driver open the door, while watching them through a camera. Your package is now secured, and even the driver can't get back to it.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago
  • Waking up via lights slowly dimming on is much nicer than an acoustic alarm.
  • Light temperature adjusting to current time of day is very nice and does loads for my mood
  • Lights automatically turning on and off based on presence and measured light levels is totally unnecessary but just so convenient
  • Getting a reminder to take the wash out when the machine is done
  • Smart plug automatically turns off power to other devices when the TV is turned off
[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm bedridden and home automation allows me to control the heating without getting up. I hate the app I have to use and would rather have an open solution, but it's better than nothing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

You should give Home Assistant a go! It’s an open-source Home automation platform, managing all your smart home device from a single place. Being open source, it supports almost everything out there, and anything that is not supported out of the box is provided by the community.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It’s a hobby. Some people like automating things. Some people are overdoing it. And some like to have a central control on their phone for everything. It’s nerd heaven. I am some people, but not overly excessive. And I want everything to still be usable by guests.

I personally have a few smart devices mostly because I keep forgetting to do things. Window sensors and thermostats that work together. When I open the windows, they turn down. The windows remind me to close them after 10 minutes. When I leave home, the heating turns down.

Light automations are for when you want to be lazy, like me. When I’m away or when the sun comes up, light turn off. When I arrive, hallway light turns on. When the sun goes down, some lights in the living room turn on. I don’t have any motion sensor stuff because it doesn’t work the way I want (we all know the horrors of motion controlled bathroom lights at the office). The only reasonable sensor I could imagine is actual presence detection, which just recently became a thing but I will wait at least until there exists one by a privacy focused company like Eve.

I would like to get something for my curtains but it’s all getting a bit too expensive.

The trick is to not use any smart devices that run in the cloud. Not only because of privacy but also because you don’t want to be freezing or sit in the dark just because the internet is out or the whole company shuts down. This is what people are always joking about over smart homes, but it doesn’t have to be this way. Keep everything in your own network. You can still access it from outside through the hub but that’s optional.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Home Assistant has a really good basic presence detection: wifi. If you phone is connected to your home wifi network, then you're home. Else you're away. Simple. Works. Local only. No extra sensors.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Same as others, convenience. You can entirely live without it, but after some learning curve it's not much to maintain.

I've got opening sensors on all doors and windows so my heating turns off if something is open for a few minutes.

I've got a dark hallway with some movement sensors and smart bulbs so the lights can turn on when someone walks there, with the lights being dimmed if it's late at night or not turning on if it's super late or the luminosity sensor considers it already usable (e.g. on sunny days when there's enough light bleeding in)

I've got smart bulbs in most rooms we use a lot which change the color temperature from warm to cold to warm over the course of the day depending on the sun position/time (it's a dark country, we often need lights even during the day, especially during winter)

All in all, for me it was definitely worth the price and the investment, I'd not want to go back to not having them but I imagine for someone who hasn't experienced it, it might seem superfluous or gimmicky.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I do it mostly because I'm forgetful. So I automate what I forget. For example I always forget I've put the washing on so I get repeating alerts to hang it out. The alerts stop once I've scanned the NFC tag on the washing machine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have still resisted any smart devices to this day, but I would absolutely love the option of a no strings attached way of getting a text/notification when the laundry is done

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I put a Shelly smart plug in my washing machine outlet. If it detects the machine using power for 30 seconds and then stop using power for 5 minutes, then it sends a signal to Home Assistant, and HA send a notification to my phone. It's easy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I’ll look into this, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Because it’s cool.

That’s kinda it really

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I use it to control some of the lights in my house. WiFi enabled plugs and switches are more convenient than having to go to each one and manually reprogram them. In my bedroom, I have one set to turn on every day at 7am and again at 9am in case I turn it off and go back to bed. It's basically a silent alarm clock.

I also have WiFi control for the mini-split (AC and heat) in my workshop. I can view the set temperature vs the actual temperature from my phone and I can adjust the temperature remotely if I want.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Various automations, conveniences, and efficiencies that can ultimately save a lot of time &/or money.

1 ) sleep hygiene = a) close the roller shutters or blackout blinds at night b) open them gradually at the same time every day, play the tron soundtrack, and start brewing my coffee. c) drop the temperature by x degrees 1 hour before bedtime.

2 ) house can start growing mould under certain conditions = run the dehumidifier after x amount of time above y average humidity.

3 ) energy efficiency = a) when weather is predicted to rise above 25c, close roller shutters on sunny side of house. b) when temperature is rises above x, or drops below y, turn on air con.

4 ) security = encrypt and upload security camera footage every 5 minutes.

Etc, etc, etc. None of the above should be difficult to set up, nor insecure... We shouldn't need to go to great lengths to automate our lives for comfort and convenience without our privacy being invaded... but in the age of surveillance capitalism, where corporations are scrambling to monetise everything we say and do, and most hardware and software vendors are actively working against us, our only solution is to tinker, hack, and patch together a multitude of disparate software and systems. Problem solving can be fun, but I'd prefer home automation to be easy and effortless.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I'm disabled and while I don't have anything set up yet (mostly because I've been looking to move house for a while), and even when I do, I probably won't tinker with it much since that's not really my thing, some home automation would make a huge difference in my life..

So no magic, just accessibility.. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

The most useful automations I personally have are rules to control the AC. It basically only kicks in if it's too hot or too cold, and I set it to turn off if I leave the house or at night. Basically saves money, and removes the need to use the remote control.

There's more stuff I'd like to do (like controlling lights and house fans), but that's definitely less urgent to me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

It's fun, like most other people said. And for some things, it's nice.

I have two of my doors with network compatible smart locks with fingerprint readers so I don't need a key to get into my own house, and I have a remote garage door opener that I can fire off with my phone to let somebody in if need be.

All of the entrances to my house have video cameras over them that alert my phone if they detect any movement, and some of my lights are on schedules to let me know when to go to bed because I have problems with that anyway.

Other than that it's kind of nice to be able to turn on all of the lights in my house with a few clicks, although many of my lights are on motion detectors so I don't have to try to find the light switches, mostly in hallways and closets.

The one thing I have left to set up of the stuff that I have bought is a sensor for my front door.

Once it is set up, I will set it so that when I open my front door it will turn on the main light in the living room so I don't have to try to reach around and find a switch.

Finally, it's nice having the peace of mind to know that if I'm away from my house I can double check and make sure all of the lights are out, adjust my air conditioning so that I'm not heating an empty building, and once I'm done with that I intend on setting up a smart watering system so if I'm away from the house during the summer I can make sure that my plants receive enough water.

It's just handy stuff. Makes my life easier, gives me something fun to do, and it can be really cool to watch my house take care of itself without me having to lift a finger.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What I really want is a smart home that tells me that the stove is on and been unattended for over 20 minutes now.

And which can tell me which when I went to bed last night.

Obviously it would have to be offline not some crowd service lives streaming to the NSA.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Home Assistant can do that. Put a Shelly smart plug in the stove outlet to see if it's using power (or do you have an old fasioned gas stove?). It can also track what time you turned off your lights last night.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Being able to turn lights on and off on four different levels of a house simplifies life without having to run up and down stairs with dodgy knees. A connected doorbell camera is also quite useful for being alerted when mail or packages are delivered, especially if nobody's home, and for screening solicitors. Voice assistants in multiple rooms aid in control of these and other features, especially when busy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I have smart radiator valves I use to reduce heating cost. During weekdays the morning when the heating comes on, I know the main living room isn’t going to be used, so the rads turn themselves off, coming on late afternoon, just before the kids get home.

Smart bulbs are only really used while we are away on holiday, to simulate people being in.

I have solar panels, batteries and am on sn agile electricity tariff that changes every 30 minutes with 24 notice. Automations make sure the batteries are charged up ahead of any peak rate. Occasionally energy prices go negative if there is an excess of wind power on the grid. At that point my immersion heater starts heating water in my hot water tank, saving gas and making me money.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Please tell me more about these radiator valves.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

This does sounds useful!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

My wife is nearly home. System alerts me. I quickly tidy my day's mess. She doesn't need that after a big day.

She arrives. Gate opens for her automatically.

As she approaches the door, the light turns on for her.

Her night time play lists starts on low volume, overriding mine.

A leopard approaches the house. The house robot with bolt on subscriptions, (the expensive "hunt and defend" add on), wreaks carnage on said leopard, only to find it was a child trick or treating. Lawyers for subscription bot are arranging payment to child's family for their lost family member.

All in all, it's really useful.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

That was an interesting twist

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Well, it's a hobby/passion. Simple as that. I'm a nerd, i love such things. And home automation is a thing I've dreamt of since the first automatic door in star trek. Automatic lights, alarm-system, cameras, a smart AI (locally, no stupid alexa et al),a tablet at the door which tells us everything we want to know on a quick glance (weather, shopping-list, fuel-prices, status of all machines etc). And all that with some many thousand lines of code and triple redundancy 😍

When i visit other people I actually find it "retro" to use light-switches 😁

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

For a lot of people it’s just a hobby and they use their home as a digital playground.

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