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“Even if this motion is successful, it doesn’t mean that Luigi Mangione walks out of prison,” said Ron Kuby, a criminal defense attorney whose practice focuses on civil rights. “All it means is that the items that were seized from him, or seized that belong to him, can’t be used as evidence against him.”

Kuby thinks that Mangione’s team has made enough claims in their papers to merit a hearing on the issues, in which the police officer involved would have to testify, confirming or denying the facts. “It does appear that they stopped and frisked Mangione without a legal basis to do it. If that’s true, everything that follows from there is likely to be found to be unconstitutional,” he said.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Luigi is an innocent patsy. The cops planted the evidence on the first convenient person they found.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 159 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Without the obviously planted evidence, all they have is a video that doesn't show his face. If i was on the jury, that's enough reasonable doubt for me.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And the eyebrows arent even close to similar

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I expect they have more than that and will present it at trial.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What else could they have? They have a video of the crime, and the evidence they claim they found in his backpack when he was arrested, and a couple pieces of evidence they claim they found at the scene that contain his DNA.

Much of the backpack evidence is likely to be thrown out, and the video evidence is highly debateable, and easily refutable. That leaves the DNA items they claim were found at the scene, which could easily have been picked up at his hostel, and planted.

Any other evidence would be far before the crime, or far removed from it, and would be weak at best.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To speculate, they might have additional video evidence linking him to the killing. For example, if they have video of the killer getting on the bus, and Luigi getting off that bus, it's a pretty small pool of suspects.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (7 children)

They tracked him for 10 days, and he only revealed his face a single time - when he quickly flashed a smile with a girl flirting with him, and that was days before the hit.

Their evidence is extremely thin, and they know it.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not before they share it with the defense ... which is something the prosecution has not fully completed yet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even if so, I believe that still doesn't inherently mean it would be accessible by the public.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Personally I don't care if the public sees it or not, because the public is neither judge or jury.

It matters big time that the defense has full fucking access to the prosecution's evidence, in a timely manner, so they can develop their strategy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I'm not disagreeing with that, I think you're missing the point being made. The point is that we may not know that there might be more to it. That is all.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago (2 children)

“ _Brazen killing” I sure do love to see mainstream news articles.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

It was carried out without shame so brazen is sn appropriate adjective.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Is there any other kind of killing? I mean murders are all described as cowardly and brutal. But is there such a thing as a gentle or brave murder?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes, actually, both sneaky/covert killings and also accidental killings are still illegal but not very brazen as a broad daylight shooting on the city streets, leaving behind bullet casings with a message etched into them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Poisoning is considered a next level evil in western culture.

For example all killings by poison in Canada are considered first degree murder. There are no exceptions.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wow, that sketch makes the youthful and confident looking Luigi look more like a mob underling from a GTA game. Yikes

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Courtroom sketches always butcher people's appearances.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

This could go in the cat meme or the throw chair meme

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Merit a hearing = 0 chance, but it shows the public and DA that this is going to be a fight, and to appeals.

It concerns me that we haven't had more of this, he should be running a ferociously aggressive defense, the only reasons he wouldn't are:

  1. Very confident that he can't be convicted as a matter of law. I suspect convicting him by jury would be hard, but definitely possible. The federal charges are more concerning, the US As have more influence over juries often.

  2. They know this is bad and are waiting to knock out a few key pieces of evidence in a long-shot hail-Mary because it's their only chance, and otherwise they want room to make a deal.

I hope it's not the latter.

Personally I suspect they're confident in a hung jury on the state charges but know they're going down hard on the federal ones, and are trying to spin it as federal overreach, which won't work but it's an argument.

10 years from.now if the pendulum swings back he can appeal and get out that way.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I stopped reading at "silencer"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's a correct word. In fact, it's more correct than "supressor." The first supressor was literally called the Maxim Silencer, and the ATF uses the term "silencer."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Are you bragging about willingly staying uninformed?

[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 125 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just wanted to say Luigi without getting banned

[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can post images, too! Ain't that neat?

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 week ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

This is my favorite fact about him. He's been out here trying to make our lives better for YEARS as an unsung hero.*

*If you play Civ.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Love this, LOL!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Best damn animation ever! All I can hear in my mind is the theme from James Bond's Man with the golden gun.

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