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[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The problem is the dollar. While international trade is in US dollars, US can dominate global economy. But Trump is trashing dollar and promoting crypto. How long will the dollar remain default currency? I think when dollar loses its value, USA economy will crash harder than any crash in history. Wheelbarrows of dollars will not buy matches. Will another traditional currency replace the dollar or is dollar's fall a sign that the old system no longer works for any currency. How does economics function after money fails? Are we all going to have to use crypto? How does that work? I hope some expert in economics has worked out a plan. I doubt they have though, this is all unchartered territory.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (7 children)

When the same happened to the Zimbabwe currency - I have a friend who keeps a trillion dollar note in his wallet - they switched to US dollars. When the US economy crashes out something similar will happen.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

This is a worry for me. I opened an ebay.co.uk account in 2004. You had to pay for purchases via Paypal. I had all sorts of problems using Paypal and customer care was lousy. I started looking into Paypal and decided it was unethical. I opted out. Ever since, I have been looking for more ethical financial services. When I cannot find them, I just do without stuff.

Right now, I have allegedly ethical bank accounts with Co-Op Bank (UK), Smile Bank (UK) and Triodos (EU). I have a savings account with a community-run credit union (UK) and a prepaid debit card account through my trade union for online purchases (UK). This is good enough for UK-based activity. But I often need to send money abroad e.g. to charities in other countries or to support podcasts or creatives based abroad. I am asked to fund via USA resources like Patreon and I refuse. I want an ethical alternative.

I want to see each nation (or groups like the EU) create its own local resources and make them compatible with other nations via some exchange service that guarantees secure, quick, ethical transactions. I am glad EU is starting to do this, it is decades overdue. I guess UK will drag itself forward eventually but only after we get a government able to live in the here and now instead of the C20th like Starmer does - I suspect he has not had a new idea since 1995. He's younger than me but his mental processes make him seem like my grandfather. Oh, for some young people in government!

P.S. Hello, Media Storm, UK prize-winning investigative journalism podcast. You are great but I cannot fund you as you use oligarch-owned Patreon and communicate only via oligarch-run Instagram or gmail - if you read this, set up some UK-based, ethical comms or funding account and I will set up a monthly subscription. I will email you about this using mediastormpodcast(at)gmail.com but I resent it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I really hope that the EU introduces a global payment and banking system that is agnostic. I don't want to be under MasterVisa's thumb, and would prefer to keep the bulk of my money as Euros instead of American Dollars. Problem is, as an American, I can't readily use Euros in my daily life.

Here's hoping the EU can strike up a solution with Blue States, so that I don't need to ask Musk for permission to buy anything.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

We got UPI in india and it's amazing. You use it and feel like the rest of the world is living in the past.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every country except US has an equivalent system tho.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

The us has like 3 equivalent but not interoperable systems. They are all controlled by the same 2 people

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[โ€“] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If only there was an encrypted permissionless way of sending money instantly, it's cryptic nobody hasn't invented a lite coin or moneyro like that.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I don't think I will. But say hi to your bank teller for me next time your card is declined (ใƒŽเฒ ็›Šเฒ )ใƒŽ

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[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Don't let the Christians get up in there and dictate what you can and can't buy with it

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, that is what happened to DLSite. It sells Japanese media such as hentai, so Visa & Mastercard put a universal ban on their products, no matter the category. It is a 1st Amendment violation IMO, since they are gatekeeping an entire culture.

I can easily see MasterVisa banning European or Canadian merchants for the sake of a Trump Regime.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Please let's think this ALL THE WAY: it is pointless to look for alternatives to the customer facing part if the backend still runs on US software.

[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

We need European alternatives to the 2 American duopolies: Visa and Mastercard / Android and Apple.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Android is open source so any European company can just fork their flavor the same way Huawei did.

And there are alternatives to visa/mastercard but their local to each country: Cartes Bancaires in France, Girocard in Germany etc.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

We also have MobilePay here in Denmark, Swish in Sweden, Bancomat in Italy.

But I am still dubious there is proper sovereignty in the whole stack each one of these run on.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Isn't CB in France still running through visa/MC?

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nope, they just integrate visa/mastercard for international payments like most other European providers.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That was true, once upon a time. "Carte Bleue" is part of Visa Europe (which has been reintegrated into Visa. Inc in 2015) since 2010.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Iโ€™d love to see it.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes it'd s called GNU-Taler, Chief

Try it, you might just like it ;-)

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I really like the concept of Taler.And I hope it goes somewhere.

[โ€“] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cashless payment is fucked. Using a phone to pay with? Sorry, only google wallet or apple pay, and in most cases only visa or mastercard. It's only recently that that Danish "Dankortet" is getting support in those apps. Bit fucking late, but US led companies don't give a fuck.

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Samsung have their own wallet app, too. There are also a number of alternatives to Visa and Mastercard, but unfortunately, they are not as widespread or are limited to a particular countries banking system. In Canada, we have Interac, for example.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah, but at least here in DK the banks have to "support" those wallets. And as far as I know, none of them do, it's just Apple or Google. For reference the biggest bank in Denmark, "Danske Bank" also support Garmin Pay, but that's for smartwatch NFC pay. (Also those products aren't for plebeians like myself.)

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