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What was behind this push to prosecute so harshly?
Was it.... Trying to set fire to a vehicle with people inside?
He pushed a burning pile of trash at a Cop car and got 14 years. Fuck off.
Good bet he won't try that bright move again
Lad was literally smashing windows, shoving burning piles of cardboard into a car for a half hour. Not one sane individual is upset this dude is off the streets
Holy shit! 14 years?!
That's insane! I can't even imagine how braindead you have to be defend that kind of sentencing.
I don't think setting fire to cars... Police car or not.... is a socially acceptable thing to do. Ever. Call me old fashioned.
His sentence is surely up to the judge that sentenced him in line with the guidelines he or she would have received for this sort of offence and risk to life. So maybe you should be directing your fuck offs to the judiciary?
He pushed a burning pile of trash at a Cop
I imagine the judge asked the question: what on earth do you think would happen when you pushed an incendiary object onto a car? As in, what was the purpose of this act?
Hows that Kiwi shoe polish taste? This is a wildly inappropriate sentence, and I will continue to direct my fuck offs your way.
Hows that Kiwi shoe polish taste?
🫠 I can't believe I'm being murdered by words on an internet forum for saying people shouldn't burn cars. It's madness, I know.
I will continue to direct my fuck offs your way.
Good for you 😊. If that makes you feel like you're doing something go for it. Other users only exist so that you can vent your frustrations with abusing language. Yup, that's absolutely the point of this forum...... I think 🤔?
Ah, the moderate urge to value politeness above justice.
You made up a scenario that's not in the article to justify the 14 years someone is losing from their life.
If you support a just society you can't also support harsh sentencing with the purpose of "sending a message". Every regime in history has criminalized descent, and sentencing a person to 14 fucking years in prison for supposedly pushing burning trash at a cop car is trying to send a message.
At least open the article.
You made up a scenario that's not in the article to justify the 14 years someone is losing from their life.
Nope. If you you simply use Google you can find the information with a little comprehension and reading.
He was convicted of attempted arson with intent to endanger life for trying to set a police van alight.
Roberts was also found guilty of attempted arson being reckless as to whether life was endangered, for trying to set a second police van alight with seven officers inside.
He told an officer inside one of the vans he would "go bang".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-59705203
And if you don't like the BBC (because I'm guessing it's "the biased state media arm of the British government" 😉) here's the Guardian on the same hearing.
The 25-year-old, who had taken cocaine and been drinking, then smashed windows of the police station, Bristol crown court was told.
Roberts, of no fixed address, was also caught on film pushing pieces of flaming cardboard under two police vans and placing industrial bins around an already partially burnt-out police car and setting them alight. He told an officer inside one of the vans he would “go bang”.
He smashed in the windows of a mobile police station and encouraged the crowd to help roll it over, before setting light to the cab while hundreds of people were close by.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/17/ryan-roberts-bristol-kill-the-bill-protest-jailed
If you support a just society you can't also support harsh sentencing with the purpose of "sending a message".
Harsh sentencing is pretty subjective. Your harsh is another's fair. You simply aren't the arbiter of that because you weren't the judge doing the sentencing at the trial. He or she doesn't pull sentences out of their arse, there's sentencing guidelines they need to follow.
Anyway it was fun chatting to you. ☺️
...Tories imitating Yank fascists.
Am Yank.
I think I might know the reason why you left.
Was that the right amount of subtle? My American friends never understand me, while my Brit friends too often find me slightly obvious.
You got it just right and I was simply riffing on it.
Same.
"In totalitarian Badcountry, they'll snatch you off the streets if you dare protest"
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Mail Online covered the story with the headline: “A terrifying vision of lawless Britain.” Avon and Somerset’s then chief constable, Andy Marsh, claimed that the protest had been “hijacked by extremists” determined to “assault our officers”.
Many of the women’s rights and BLM activists who had been involved in organising the Everard vigil on Clapham Common called for a new round of protests, this time against the police, crime, sentencing and courts bill.
In the first trial, a 25-year-old man from the local travelling community, Ryan Roberts, received a 14-year sentence for riot and attempted arson after the court was played a 34-minute video showing him throwing bottles and cans, smashing a window and pushing burning pieces of cardboard under an occupied police vehicle.
DC Perry, who reviewed much of the footage as part of Riccio’s team, told me: “On the face of it you think ‘poor girl’, but there were elements of her behaviour …[where] it still hits the mould of affray, violent disorder and riot.”
(After the MPs’ report was published, Avon and Somerset police claimed that allegations of disproportionate force had been fully investigated by its own professional standards department and said it was confident officers had acted appropriately.)
Later that month, UK prime minister, Rishi Sunak, persuaded police chiefs to sign up to a protocol restricting protests outside MPs’ homes, party offices, parliament and town halls.
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