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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The performance speed between WSL, virtual machines, and bare metal Linux has become so close that few developers choose this method due to the overhead of needing to restart (reboot) your device any time you want to switch between the operating systems.

And there's the attempt at discouraging you from going bare-metal.

I doubt that "few developers choose this" is true.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great! Then now you're ready to install Microsoft Edge on your fresh new linux installation: https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/edge/pool/main/m/microsoft-edge-stable/ 🤡

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It comes with bing search pre configured for you so you don't have to look for the settings, we also hid them so you don't accidentally switch to duckduckgo because we believe Linux users shall experience the full potential of our services even out abroad on another OS

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

For all two people who genuinely use edge on Linux, it's still a more private experience than Windows. Regardless, more power to them

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love when people on the Internet say "X did Y quietly" to make it more suspenseful. This doesn't look quiet to me...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What does "quietly" even mean? Didn't take out ads in Times Square?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why wouldn't they? Windows 10+ is a great development machine and Microsoft knows that a lot of developers develop with Linux. WSL is great for all parties - including Linux

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I, too, have had the audacity to say WSL is useful on this community and it was also met with down votes. Purists hating and gate keeping, and then they wonder why Linux isn't more popular.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

WSL may be fine for a Windows user to get some access to Linux, however for me it misses the vast majority of what I value in a desktop distribution -Better Window managers. This is subjective, but with Windows you are stuck with Microsoft implementation, and if you might like a tiling window manager, or Plasma workspaces better, well you need to run something other than Windows or OSX.

-Better networking. I can do all kinds of stuff with networking. Niche relative to most folks, but the Windows networking stack is awfully inflexible and frustrating after doing a lot of complex networking tasks in Linux

-More understanding and control over the "background" pieces. With Windows doing nothing a lot is happening and it's not really clear what is happening where. With Linux, it can be daunting like Windows, but the pieces can be inspected more easily and things are more obvious.

-Easier "repair". If Windows can't fix itself, then it's really hard to recover from a lot of scenarios. Generally speaking a Linux system has to be pretty far gone

-Easier license wrangling. Am I allowed to run another copy of Windows? Can I run a VM of it or does it have to be baremetal? Is it tied to the system I bought with it preloaded, or is it bound to my microsoft account? With most Linux distributions, this is a lot easier, the answer is "sure you can run it".

-Better package management. If I use flatpak, dnf, apt, zypper, or snap, I can pretty much find any software I want to run and by virtue of installing in that way, it also gets updated. Microsoft has added winget, which is a step in the right direction, but the default 'update' flow for a lazy user still ignores all winget content, and many applications ignore all that and push their own self-updater, which is maddening.

The biggest concern, like this thread has, is that WSL sets the tone for "ok, you have enough Linux to do what you need from the comfort of the 'obviously' better Microsoft ecosystem" and causes people to not consider actually trying it for real.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Windows: What is my purpose?

User: You are a bootloader to install Linux.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

"An expensive bootloader at that, but hey you already paid us when you bought your laptop thanks to our decades-old grip on the market, so we could not care less what you do next"

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

why not? it's not like there is any competition.
Microsoft is making more money off Linux with Azure than several red hats combined.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, but people find this interesting because historically, Microsoft was actively trying to destroy Linux (look up Halloween documents) and even said that Linux is cancer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A lot changed after Satya Nadella took the helm. The modern .NET platform is really quite nice, and MS does a lot of ~~FOSS~~ open source work.

Obviously it’s good to be sceptical, they’re a large corporation and all they want is money, they’re not our friends. They’re just not as draconian as they were in the 90s and the 00s.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Usually FOSS is specifically copyleft licences like the GPL, which Microsoft don't use. Their open-source stuff tends to be MIT.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

While you're correct, that's funny because as a developer using a framework like dotNET, MIT gives YOU more freedom. At least for anything statically linked where the GPL code would end up as part of your binary and force you to GPL your own code I believe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

MIT gives YOU more freedom

After years of debate about licenses for my own software (that only I use...), my philosophy has been boiled down to this: MIT for libraries. GPL for programs.

This way, other developers can freely use your library, and your program remains free.