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micromobility - Ebikes, scooters, longboards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility

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Ebikes, bicycles, scooters, skateboards, longboards, eboards, motorcycles, skates, unicycles: Whatever floats your goat, this is all things micromobility!

"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I recently got an e-bikes. It goes up to 20mph and honestly scares the shit out of me sometimes. I have a normal bike helmet but am looking into something a bit beefier, between a bike and motorcycle helmet

I don't think people understand: At 20mph that's athlete sprinting speed. Imagine going all out "impending asthma attack and you don't even have asthma" full sprint down a hill then tripping on a curb

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Wonder how many of those injuries are on rentals? Veo rental e-bikes are very prevalent around these parts. Have never seen anyone riding them with a helmet. If you own an e-bike and don't wear one, that's on you. But rental ones don't even have a way to provide you with one.

OTOH, most rental e-scooters have a helmet carrier box on the back. It unlocks when you go to pick one up with the app.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

It's probably door dash, uber eats, etc. - our city is quite swarming with "gig economy" riders who have standardised on relatively high speed electric bikes.

The combination of time pressure and the variety of places where they need to ride (busy pedestrianised city centre areas, park paths, and roads with cars) probably doesn't help the safety.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (6 children)

We have rental e-scooters around here that come with helmets mounted to the stem for the rider.

I'd say that maybe 1 out of 10 wear the helmet. And you can't imagine how many riders, who have no control over the damn scooter, aren't wearing a helmet.

If someone wants a brain injury, that's fine. But they are burdening anyone and everyone who relies on them and/or has to care for them.

And for what? Laziness? Convenience? Self-hate?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (6 children)

An e-bike is a motorcycle in everything but name and highway-worthiness. It's honestly a little bonkers how long it took for this conversation to come up. I do think there's a bit of an odd feeling strapping on a motorbike helmet when you're getting on what you think of as a bicycle, and it probably doesn't help that motorcycle helmets are bulky and a PITA to carry around if you're using your e-bike as a commuter. Those are all addressable solutions, though.

Probably the fastest/cheapest way to affect a change would be to set a top speed for eBikes operating in public areas as bicycles. Speed kills, and keeping people from doing practically 30 mph in the bike lane would probably be a good place to start. I'm not talking about handing out tickets as much as having manufacturers govern their top speeds down. After that, public health campaigns.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

There are different classes of ebikes:

—Class I is pedal-assisted only, up to 20mph. No throttle. In no way is this a motorcycle.

—Class II is pedal-assisted or throttle, up to 20mph.

—Class III is pedal-assisted up to 28mph. Throttle is optional.

—Class IV is speeds over 28mph or a motor 750W or more.

Personal opinion: Class 1 can and should be allowed anywhere a regular pedal bike is allowed. Class 2 needs to have a max weight limit if it’s to be used on sidewalks or multiuse trails, basically anywhere there are pedestrians. Class 3 absolutely should have a max weight limit if it’s going to be used anywhere except roads. Class 4 is getting into speeds and weights high enough to warrant consideration for licenses/permits in public spaces.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Ebikes are restricted to 25 kph (15 mph) in Europe.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

On top of that, they go as fast as, and are therefore as dangerous as a moped. Which also needs tags and insurance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Speed + weight / momentum + location = level of danger.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I fell on my bike onto the pavement going 12mph. That's it. Not very fast whatsoever compared to some cyclists.

I ended up busting 4 ribs in half and fractured my scapula (shoulder blade). I was wearing my helmet w/front visor thank God because it's amazing how quickly your head smacks that concrete. I went face first too and the visor + helmet completely spared me any head trauma.

Never felt pain like that in my life. The agony of getting loaded onto a gurney with that many busted bones isn't something I wish to repeat.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Head injuries are no joke, when I ride my ebike I use a helmet with a chin bar too because I can barely afford an ebike that isn't bottom of the barrel so I know I can't afford to get my teeth replaced.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

If you think your head and its contents are important, wear a properly adjusted helmet. Every time.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Paramedics treat pedal bicycle accidents the same as a car crash. An electric bike can go much faster and cause more damage.

Helmets and gloves.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

What country? Here in Europe ebikes are limited to 25kph therefore slower than regular bike.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (9 children)

I can't understand why people refuse to wear helmets when riding.

I had a professor in university who got in an accident while not wearing a helmet. He went over the handlebars and landed on his head. It happened years before I met him, but he would regularly get crippling migraines as a consequence, and he would plead with his students to never ride without wearing a helmet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

A friend's dad fell off his bike hardly moving and had severe brain damage and was a shadow of his former self. Then died young. It doesn't take much at all. I will never not wear a helmet on a bike.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I bought a new helmet for my downhill biking. It's actually lighter than most road bike helmets and has great air flow. Wear a helmet, people. Your noggin is precious and cars and trucks are aiming for us.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Good on you man.

MIPS or bust!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (7 children)

helmets aren't made to protect you from "cars and trucks" but from falls

false sense of security

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

People are downvoting you but you are right. Bicycle helmets are not designed for impact collisions with vehicles and wearing a helmet vs not wearing one — in motor vehicle accidents — statistically doesn’t matter very much.

But why does this matter? Two reasons:

— Studies have shown that motor vehicle drivers are more likely to give a cyclist more space when passing if the cyclist is not wearing a helmet. Drivers think helmet = protected and no helmet = squishy.

— People tend to blame cyclists for their injuries if they weren’t wearing a helmet. Victim blaming is bad. A cyclist doesn’t deserve their injuries.

That said, I still always wear a helmet when riding in the US because drivers are crazy, our road infrastructure is usually in disrepair, and I am capable of making mistakes that could lead me to fall.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I also had an incident two years ago where I was cycling downhill on a road, going 22 mph, and a child ran out right in front of me. Thankfully my hydraulic brakes did their job and I stopped me amazingly quickly, but my back wheel also came a foot off the ground. I was so close to going over my handlebars and cracking my head on the pavement.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Cars and trucks can still smack your melon, or otherwise cause your melon to get smacked.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Falls that can come from avoiding cars and trucks…

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I hope your downhill helmet has a face/jaw.

Source: my previously broken face/jaw.

I wear a full helmet for any bike riding now

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Its a smith mainline. Full face but it only weighs like 600 grams.

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