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He should also put export tariffs on electricity to lower demand/price of PQ electricity (or subsidize their electricity from tariff proceeds) that is main cost of aluminum production. Buying a strategic reserve of Aluminum will keep factories open, and allow better deals/pricing for "allies" or new friends, or later dumping on US when they end the trade war.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

There's a fairly easy path to get full auto production in Canada at expense of US production.

Ultimatum/cooperation with auto manufacturers to publicly support the policy is needed. Cheap electricity and aluminum/steel in Canada and expensive in US, along with exchange rate and health care cost advantage means making cars here.

So subsidize energy and materials inputs in Canada, with revenue from high export tariffs on energy and materials to US. Coordinate same with Europe. US rearming Ukraine is not going to get Russian/Belarus imports, so do the same to agriculture with Potash export tariffs. We don't need to put tariffs on US energy/materials inputs.

The ultimatum to auto manufacturers is threat of 200% tariffs (equivalent to ban) on US made cars if they don't prioritize Canada operations. Partial tariffs on individual manufacturers if they close plants.

US policy in Trump 1.0 was to impose a cost of $900k per steelworker job on US economy. We also already have a currently high subsidy for auto workers and Canadian projects. It is not a significant loss if industry will automate anyway over time, and massive value enhancement is available from Chinese imports.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Maple syrup reserves. Aluminum

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Trump: "I'll tariff your aluminum."

Quebec: "Harder daddy!"

(no seriously, this is a brilliant move from Quebec. They hold all the cards here, they produce 75% of all the aluminum in North America, and importing from anywhere else is far more expensive because it has to go over an ocean, and shipping metal is fucking expensive. They know they'll get all this business back the moment the tariffs are lifted, so they can afford to just crank up the heat and wait for Trump to collapse.)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's practically impossible for the US to build up an aluminum industry that can compete with Quebec. Especially not within a presidential term.

Quebec could export tariff to the moon, and there wouldn't be anything Camacho could do about it other than shit himself into a coma, hopefully.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Camacho. lol.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

This is great, we need more of this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Wonder if this will end up like Ford's 25 percent surcharge on electricity? They should have coordinated on these things.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Better to not coordinate. Trump comes up with new problems for Canada on a regular basis, only fair we do the same to him.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I feel like co-ordinating on these things would be better. BC, ON and QC all have steel and aluminium industries to defend, and all three provinces export a decent chunk of electricity to nearby US states.

A co-ordinated surcharge on electricity would be a powerful response to the inpatient at the white house.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think Ford's export tariffs are still threatened retaliation. Politeness level from US increased yesterday after back down. If all tariffs are removed other than dairy on April 2, then its a win. Rhetoric backdown isn't catastrophic if and only if the other side stops amplifying the extortion.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hi, American here.

It’s not a win until the US removes all tariffs, including on dairy. His reason for that is bullshit too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Dairy exports from Canada are very low. If Trump gets to boast that "he singlehandedly saved the US dairy industry" without any retaliation, then its a nothing burger where politics crying over the nothing burger will help distract from all of the other pillaging of America he plans.