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Did your Roku TV decide to strong arm you into giving up your rights or lose your FULLY FUNCTIONING WORKING TV? Because mine did.

It doesn't matter if you only use it as a dumb panel for an Apple TV, Fire stick, or just to play your gaming console. You either agree or get bent.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sections 1(F) and 1(L) seem like the only ways out/around of this. (IANAL; the bolding emphasis was done by me.)

F. Small Claims. You or Roku may pursue any Claim, except IP Claims, in a small-claims court instead of through arbitration if (i) the Claim meets the jurisdictional requirements of the small claims court and (ii) the small claims court does not permit class or similar representative actions or relief.

L. 30-Day Right to Opt Out. You have the right to opt out of arbitration by sending written notice of your decision to opt out to the following address by mail: General Counsel, Roku Inc., 1701 Junction Court, Suite 100, San Jose, CA 95112 within 30 days of you first becoming subject to these Dispute Resolution Terms. Such notice must include the name of each person opting out and contact information for each such person, the specific product models, software, or services used that are at issue, the email address that you used to set up your Roku account (if you have one), and, if applicable, a copy of your purchase receipt. For clarity, opt-out notices submitted via any method other than mail (including email) will not be effective. If you send timely written notice containing the required information in accordance with this Section 1(L), then neither party will be required to arbitrate the Claims between them.

Any lawyers out there who can speak towards the three bolded parts?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

This sort of thing isn't new but I've seen this particular one all over the place. Was there something different from this experience compared to the times that people have agreed in the past?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (6 children)

My Roku TV's been reset to factory and not allowed on the internet for a few years now. It's a TV. It displays shit that I give it over HDMI. If you desire more than that you're part of the problem. I work in IT and that's why my home has physical locks, a 30 year old thermostat, and cameras I own with recordings on a DVR I own.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The problem with not being part of the problem is that, in many cases, it means no longer being able to be part of vast chunks of society. Take it from me - I've been boycotting Big Media and most entertainment platforms for about a decade, and now I genuinely can't have any hobbies, besides of maybe activism, to share something with friends to begin with.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

same except i haven't felt there's a problem. get better friends.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah about that, I never really had any friends, and now it's increasingly difficult to make any if you don't watch movies or listen to music or follow sports or play the more popular video games. There's preciously little to talk about if you don't engage in popular culture out of ethical concerns.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Interesting take... If we desire to use the full advertised features of a product we own we are part of the problem.

I suggest some self love and an open mind to learn and adapt. It's okay though not everyone is capable of this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

maybe try being less of a condescending ass

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 8 months ago (3 children)

In my experience, people that use the phrase “you’re part of the problem” so loosely are often the most miserable jackasses anyone ever allowed into society.

People just want neat things. It’s not wrong to want neat things.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's not wrong, but it's just terribly short-sighted. You're giving greed-crazed companies total control over a device that you own and nobody else should be able to touch.

Shiny things come at a cost. Sure, it may look convenient and super cool to have all these features, but it's important to understand the trade-offs. And this is just the tip of the iceberg - we don't even know what kinds of malice these companies will think of 5-10 years from now when these machines are even more widespread and probably come with even more invasive anti-user hardware capabilities.

It's not wrong... it's just very very naïve.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

No ones asking you to stick some shiny thing up your ass and walk around to see how it fits. If you don't like these services don't use them, for most of us the convinience of an Internet connected device that let's you stream content published to the Internet is a value.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is why I don't buy "smart" TVs. They just want to data-mine you. And they can brick it whenever they want to, right over the Internet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is basically impossible unless you are buying commercial grade. Just buy whatever TV you want and never connect it to the internet.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Just do a judge trial instead of a jury trial. Lol

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