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Did your Roku TV decide to strong arm you into giving up your rights or lose your FULLY FUNCTIONING WORKING TV? Because mine did.

It doesn't matter if you only use it as a dumb panel for an Apple TV, Fire stick, or just to play your gaming console. You either agree or get bent.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

What about the one sided ability to change a contract??

A year from now Roku pop up says "Click to Accept" , the text says **"this contract means you'll have to give us your first born child? ** My reasoning says if they can do one then they can do the other. There is nothing that would prevent them from adding 'fees', or 'subscriptions' or simply turning off the device. (!)

This is egregious. We bought something. In normal commerce, the contract was set in stone at that moment. The seller can't roll up 2 years later, change the contract, force you to agree before you can use your device, and then say , well maybe if you beg, you can opt out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Pray they don’t alter it further

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

My muscle memory is to hit power-right-ok to open youtube when I turn the tv on, most of the time without looking at it. The other day, it ended up still sitting on the default menu item after I did that. This must have popped up then. Something that can be dismissed without ever actually seeing it is certainly not enforceable.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The real question is what is Roku doing that might necessitate a jury trial in the first place.

The answer is spying and selling all your data to advertisers. Using ACR they can tell everything passing through that box and display adverts accordingly. Just what you want when watching a DVD.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I hope they like watching me masturbate to porn on my couch.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Ohhhh...what site can I see that? Let's plan a sad afternoon together!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't think they can see that but by all means keep going

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But if he's watching the porn on a Roku TV, they'll know what porn it is and what to recommend next.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What are you doing Step-Roku?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Every company has started doing that. Almost every EULA now has clauses forcing you to give up your right to class action lawsuits and jury trials and to use corporate-friendly mediation instead.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hasn't that been a thing pretty much as long as EULAs?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

No, it's been pretty common in the last decade or so. First they added mediation clauses mostly just to scare people into using mediation instead of suing. But once they realized that courts were enforcing the clauses even though most legal experts assumed that they weren't valid since most people couldn't reasonably expected to read EULAs much less understand them and they were being added to things that people didn't reasonably expect to have complex legal implications, they realized they could put other stuff in there and have it enforced. So now there's tons of shady stuff in some of them.

Same thing as those companies that would send you a check for like a dollar that looked like it came from a legit source, but really was a marketing campaign paying that legit source for their customer lists and to put their name on it, and in the signature line on the back they'd add a bunch of text saying you agreed to sign up for some expensive service or whatever. People would cash the check without realizing what it was and then the company would sign them up for something and it was allowed for a long time even though many legal experts said it shouldn't be legally binding.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What if you never connect it to the internet? Surely then it’s a just a dumb TV.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

You'd never get this update...

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