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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

An excellent article, thanks for posting!

That means if all the pancake communities are following each other, I can post on [email protected] and it would show up on the other pancake communities as well, and the comments would simply be grouped into just one post!

The "communities following communities" seems like quite an elegant solution. Kind of like federating between communities in addition to instances. I wonder what the chances are that we'll see this implemented?

For now, I suppose we'll just have to continue with old-fashioned merging...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Piefed has feeds now, if people want to try: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/38733273

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

How hard would it be to set up some default community "pools"? More or less like multireddits I guess.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If communities are similar, why not consolidate?

[email protected] even used a script to ping everyone

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Because that defeats the purpose of Federation. If one of the communities becomes infiltrated with nazis or whatever they can be defederated and removed from the the base "pool".

Say you have a base pool of communities for all "motorcycle" related content. Anything from MotoGP stuff to general dirtbike stuff, who knows. Of course there are going to be some communities about Harleys in there and of course one of those is going to inevitably skew towards white nationalist nonsense. Well there ya go that's out of the pool with that BS and everyone else gets to go about their day.

If they want to create their own motorcycle pool of communities then so be it but they don't need to infect the rest of the of us.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

But in your scenario, all the communities have different niches: GP, dirtbike, Harley

In the article, the scenario is taken about identical communities, like [email protected] and [email protected]

Of course if at some point nazis invade people should migrate, but that doesn't mean you should keep both active at the same time (also, nazis could invade both in parallel, not sure how that solves the issue here)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Because that defeats the purpose of Federation

Isn't that addressed in the article by Proposal 3?

Of course there are going to be some communities about Harleys in there and of course one of those is going to inevitably skew towards white nationalist nonsense

In that case, the rest of the motorcycle communities would simply unfollow the problematic one.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Custom feeds grouping similar communities

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

That was addressed in the article under Proposal 2:

it's a feature not many people made use of, and it sounds like a pain to have to constantly create and manage new multi-communities to group together duplicate communities. This shouldn't be a task that users have to manually do.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

If they are similar, why not consolidate?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Better to not have to start over 100% if the main community is on a server that randomly disappears forever or turns sour and gets defederated.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

There is no community backup for those ones, they seem to be doing fine:

Instance shutting down is indeed a valid risk, but it shouldn't be handled at the community level

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Wouldn’t that go against decentralization?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No, it would not. In proposal 3, communities would still choose whether or not to follow each other, just like instances choose whether or not to federate with one another.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Decentralization is being able to access the same content from different instances.

Duplicating communities is the opposite: now people can't see the same content, they have to follow all the similar communities

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because each instance and community had it's own rules. With custom feeds user can choose with communities he want to consolidate and separate them again if he want

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What are the rules differences between [email protected] and [email protected] ?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

[email protected] allows shitposts/memes. It's a big deal to some people like me

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (5 children)

[email protected] does too: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/19486392

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I quite agree with the issue described and I 100% agree it's a critical one but, because none of the proposed solution seem to be ideal, I'm also wondering if this doesn't end up saying the right model, right in the sense that it will work with/feel much more simpler to most users, is a centralized system and not a federated one?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

is a centralized system

So... Reddit? With the cancelled third-party apps, the visible ads, the ads hiding as posts, the powertripping mods (but unpaid as well), the algorithm trying to get the most "engagement" by showing hateful content?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thank you @[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Oh hey, it's been a while since I've written this. Thanks for sharing it again. When I posted it last year to the fediverse community, people were not ready for it.

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